I was talking to my female friend, and realised how much learned from this talk as well as all my past trials to pick her up

She told me that she has new boyfriend. She seamlessly switched bfs from ex to new. This suprised me, cause she was with her ex for long time. Also, around this time we wanted to meet each other, but we didn't. So I told her in a playful way that we lost a chance for something great! I don't care, cause I have new target now.

So:

1) I landed in friends zone and then couldn't get away from it. Probably because of not well developed Game, but I think it is very important to signal to target that you don't want to be friend, but a mate. She told me that I'm not in her type, but since I didn't fully believe in that concept, I think that these were just words for "You didn't do what you should and landed in friends zone"

2) If I had the Game good enough, I could be her new bf now. But I didn't believed in it - I was mentally blocked by the fact that she has a long-term bf.

3) Do not over neg. She said I should treat women better. I responded that I think that women do not like nice guys. She said "Women hate losers. A man must be masculine but sensitive. Some kind of romantic beast".
Also, don't make image of a person who don't make mistakes, who is the best in a world etc... there are no ideal people, so noone will believe in that.

What do you think about these?

Sounds like someone has a very good head on his shoulders. It is commendable that you are so openly honest with yourself and you can accept where you failed and learn from it without regret. You also seem to have steered off the one-itis bug that bites some of the top PUAs.

When you made the "over neg" point I actually thought of myself lol. Back in the day when I was not properly taught who to callibrate my skills I would over neg as well. The key to negging is to demonstrate that you are going to put her in her place when she deserves it not to make her feel like shit.

The romantic beast thing rather causes James Bond to come to mind masculine but sensitive. The problem with guys who try to act too macho or too perfect is that they comes across as fake, incongruent, and often makes a woman feel insecure by nature and being human shows genuine sencerity.

- Chris

I was wondering if "negging" is the same as being C + F?

Also, how much should either technique be used on the second or third date?

I used a lot of C+F and negging for past 4 months, but I do it too much and I often heard from girls that I am boorish and overconfident. It is very difficult to calibrate.

But recently I balanced C+F and negging on day 3 by stories from my childhood, which show that I can be sensitive. Of course do not whine and complain! Just show that you are human, not some "I am the best and C and F machine".

I also think that several sincere compliments on day 3 may help, just to make girl feel confident.


And, it is vital to understand, that there are many more ways to demonstrate confidence, than C&F:
Body language
Voice tonality and projection
Small chat with other people at the bar (ie guys), or only "Are those seats free?" - especially in order to make you two to seat comfortable
Leading ("Let's go there, let's dance, let's rest for a while, let's go to another bar")
Not asking stupid beta questions
and more

Recently, girl told me on day 2, that I'm behaving as if I was owner of a bar where were we. This was because of body language, walking slowly, and other things mention above.


Also, neg is a disqualifier. It must show that you are not so into that girl like beta guys could be, not insult her!