ok so im 15 soph in highschool and i have all the 6-7.5's on my nuts. people find me funny and good at basketball because im on the school team but the thing is in highshcool, on my freshman year, i was pretty low on the social ladder *not the nerd/weirdasskid type, but i had friends who were decent in the social ladder but not highest in the social ladder in the grade, and i was the low social value friend of my group and girls thought i was just a friend and NEVER saw me as a guy to get with* but then over freshman summer goin into sophmore year, i read some DD material and puberty got me looking from a 5-6 to an 7-8.5, so now im getting the average girls to like me and want me but i want to get this girl who is really high up in the social ladder, lets call her P for now. P knows me and said i looked good, and shit like that, i talk to her, she's in my classes and i get good responces from her, but sometimes she ignores me b/c shes so damn popular, like shes friends with the popular senior guys n'd shit like that, and i need help getting with her, any thoughts?

Alright triple B, this is very simple. DHV!. Use the 6-7's as preselection pawns. Let the hotter babes know how much other women adore you. Tell great stories, routines, and play games around P and the seniors. Use disqualifiers and neg the shit out of her. Pretty soon she'll be the one wanting to be in your social circle all the time.

Umm, sorry bro. I'm not hating or doubting, but that's probably not the best
idea. If she sees you with 6s and 7s, and she's a 9 or a 10, then she won't
feel interest. Pre-Selection is DEFINITELY important, but in this case, you need
pre-selection from girls of her stature.

For example, to GET a stipper, you need to tell girls that you've BEEN with
a stripper, even if it's not true.

Here's what I would do...I have done this before, and I will SWEAR to you,
that THIS WORKS. TAKE MY WORD.

(This is a response to an e-mail that I got from a person on the forums):

"If you're not popular, would it be impossible to game a beautiful and popular girl?"

Dude, I've had this problem SO much, it's not even funny. But you are right.
Popularity is REALLY important in high school, and without popularity, it is
hard to have social proof (which is a trait of an alpha male). But here's the
thing...the key is to make it SEEM like you do have social proof. She doesn't
know you, so if you tell her that you know all of the people she knows, she
will take your word for it. So my advice to you is this:

start sitting NEAR the popular kids in class. Every now and then, start a
conversation with small talk--they LOVE hearing about their friends. For
example, this one time I really wanted to talk to this one guy that was REALLY
well known around our school. I knew that if we became friends, my social
proofing would shoot through the roof. Here's what I did...I started getting
closer and closer to his desk, but I stayed one seat ahead of his all the time
so that I can talk OVER my shoulder so that I maintain value. Whenever
we would have a test, I would be like: "Holy shit, man...I TOTALLY forgot
about this test hahaha; did you even study?" And that's how you start
talking to him. To get social proof, you need to talk to the guys--make friends
with them first...THEN you get the girl. Talking to guys is a lot like gaming a
girl. You need to still show value so that they feel like you're worth talking
to. Anyways, open the guy, and just talk for like 30 seconds. Then turn
forward, and don't say anything for a long time. Afterwards when the class
is about to end or something say: "Oh! did you hear about the
party last weekend? Omg, get this--this one dude from ( X college) was at
a party, and he was PISS drunk, right? So he goes and just passes out on
a couch, and is knocked out. He gets up, and has no fucking idea what he's
doing. I swear to you this is what he did: he got up, and walked over to
some random chick (but she was pretty hot) and he unzipped his pants
and started PISSING on her! hahahahahaha it was NUTS!"

Okay, that's a story that you tell a GUY not a girl. When you tell this to the
guy, he'll know that you're invited to parties so you're supposed to have
some value to you. And that if the guy was that wasted, it must have been
a crazy party that one of the popular kids was having. So once girls see
you talking to him, they'll assume you have value. Keep doing this stuff
with the GUYS first, then you'll have legitimate value.

What I'm saying is...it is better to have VALUE first before you game high
value chicks. 'Cause they know people, and people know you. So they
might talk shit about you if you aren't friends with them. They need to say
stuff like: "Oh, tommy? Yeah, he's a cool guy!" And if she hears that, then
you have social proof, which makes your value go up.

Long story short...befriend the guys...you'll start getting invited to parties,
then meet girls there...let the girls SEE YOU talking to the high value guys,
and introduce yourself when YOU have high value too.

You can't use 7's as pawns and pivots for 8's and 9's? News to me. He's talking about a high school girl. Not a hired gun. Not a 10. Big difference in gaming method. If ANY woman sees that ANY other women enjoy and seek after your company, it will raise your value to them. Attraction is not a choice.

I think both u guys are right. Its good to have lots of freinds. High value or not. I talk to everyone and i dont care if their not popular, people and girls see that and they like you for it. I used to be pretty low as a freshman too but i started being more sociable nd chit . make urself the trophy not her. Its different in highschool and its pretty much who u now and how u act. Dnont be a fag and think ur better then some people, talk to everyone and chill wit ur higher value buddies

good stuff here, I got two questions tho.
how do you attract the attention of popular kids? I sit with them at lunch table, i have decent value but not the top.

Also what makes popular kids popular in high school?

sorry if I went of topic, but i think its related

DO NOT LIE DHVs IN HIGH SCHOOL

Also in my opinion what makes popular kids popular is they are extroverted. It's that simple: you talk more you have more friends you are more popular. I would write a bunch but I'm tired.

Also popular kids are usually the early bloomers, who become popular during elementary and early middle school then easily maintain it during high school, where things are deeply set and it is very hard to go up and easy to keep from going down. This is why i've been told a few times that the more popular people after high school often are different people than those who were during high school.

Dude, that is a great question. I have been trying to figure that out for about
7 or 8 months. And I'm making so great progress.

This is what makes them popular...it's a pattern, look for it.

*Playing on a school team.
*Being funny.
*Being attractive (physically) <-- but that's not always the case.


Those are the three main things that make kids popular. If you just sit back
and watch the popular kids talk to each other. Notice that they all have
humor in the conversation, and most of them are on some kind of team
for the school.

I definetly agree with the first two they make sense
*Playing on a school team. (get to know more people, and especially school events suchs as games)
*Being funny. (definitely a big one in high school, we look for crazy funny things)

I dont agree with the last one though. The way you present yourself is what matters.

the first is easy to do, second one is hard however. how do you become funny? tell funny stories? how tho?

I always have trouble with that. I think if you can improve on that it will boost your confidence so much and help with your game

_________________
"Never be afraid to try something new. Always remember: Amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic"

man
when i was in highschool
i was a geek,
i was small
i didnt play on teams
i listened to rock and metal from a very young age
so was sort of the social outcast.
but i jus used to crack jokes.
and stand up for myself.

but for some reason hb9's and the real hotties and older years would speka to me, and i mean i used ot speak with everyone, rockers sport people art people.

a popular hb9 invited em to prom but coz i didnt wanna go i said no.

i honestly believe that highschool is about having fun and not worrying about all this. if your having fun then they will see this an want in on your fun. popularity isnt everything, i heard a quote recently that a big house an a car dosnt make a man all it takes is a set of bollocks.

_________________
Black tattoos up and down his arm, aint nothin more dangerous than aboy woth charm - christina aguilera

I see that happen in my school as well, but it seems girls do it out of pitty to those guys.

Fun can be taken very differently for diferent people. so how do you have fun, and become funny? tell funny stories? how tho?

_________________
"Never be afraid to try something new. Always remember: Amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic"

I'm no expert on this, but I think there's some kind of kino involved in this too. I mean, when you observe the popular guys you'll see they sometimes playfully punch each other and wrestle and that sort of stuff. Get as far as that they playfully punch you (and you punch back), and you'll have a major social boost since everyone will see this.

_________________
"Give a man fire and he's warm for a day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life" - Terry Pratchett