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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:03 am 
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You could be a 4/10, receeding hairline, eyes too big, monobrow, chubby with 10/10 game but lets not get it twisted, even if you had the best game in the world you arent getting laid.

Now take a 10/10, 180lb 9% bf ripped, looks like Patrick Bateman.
Approaches a girl and says 'Hey, i'm new to approaching women, maybe hang out some time, i have vodka'

Who do you think will have the most success? Face reality brahs. If the same girl had both numbers, who will she call first?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:28 am 
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You could be a 4/10, receeding hairline, eyes too big, monobrow, chubby with 10/10 game but lets not get it twisted, even if you had the best game in the world you arent getting laid.

Now take a 10/10, 180lb 9% bf ripped, looks like Patrick Bateman.
Approaches a girl and says 'Hey, i'm new to approaching women, maybe hang out some time, i have vodka'

Who do you think will have the most success? Face reality brahs. If the same girl had both numbers, who will she call first?
Get to the gym, take steroids and become better than 99% of men
That may be true on initial approach, but it doesn't play out the way that you describe it. 4/10 is considered ugly if 5-6 is considered average, so you'd pretty much win the argument there. However, the average to above average (and then maximizes his looks) guy has a decent chance even if he doesn't have the best game in the world but at least has a good game. My best friend is one of those rare guys that even hot women approach because of how he looks but his game is really weak. Weak to the point of I can take a girl that approaches him because I have much better interactions with women than he does.

I'm not saying that being a "10/10" guy isn't an advantage, but if you don't know how to use that advantage then you can end up on the same level as that average guy with good game.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 12:45 am 
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I've outgamed hot dudes all the time. I'm actually attractive enough but there are better looking guys than me. However I blossomed late so my game is based off on other things than my looks.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 11:51 am 
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Your hypothetical about the rancor vs a male model is a poor fallacious argument.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 1:21 pm 
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When a man first approaches a woman, she will base 55% of her initial impression of him on his appearance and body language, 38% on his style of speaking, and 7% on what he actually says.

... just random fact from web, i dont know if its true, but its interesting.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:30 pm 
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When a man first approaches a woman, she will base 55% of her initial impression of him on his appearance and body language, 38% on his style of speaking, and 7% on what he actually says.

... just random fact from web, i dont know if its true, but its interesting.
I would say it's false because there is no quantifiable way to determine what percent of an emotion is due to one factor.

I have talked about it before, the vast majority of guys are average, not good or bad. So just avoid total social repulsors and you can do a lot of good work. I mean especially in terms of facial appearance, there's notable subjectivity. We know symmetry is generally a cause of facial attractiveness, but it has also been found that certain asymmetries help on a case by case basis. Beauty literally is in the eye of the beholder.

The OP just sounds like a dude who has been getting shot down a lot and wants to blame it in genetics than his own lack of effort.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 10:43 pm 
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Looks/body will help you attract more women and have more first meet/date sex.

But it won't help you keep a woman if you don't apply the same foundational properties of being a dominant male.

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