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PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2016 1:19 am 
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I have tried to do some approaches with no success. I have discovered that I approach with the wrong objective.

my objective should not be to impress, correct? my objective should not be to make her laugh, correct? I am really good at being cringy and awkward and making someone laugh. you have seen my journey.

like today I approached this asian girl. she was gorgeous, i have never seen asian this gorgeous. i said "do you live here?" she said "yes" I said "I live here too. we have so much in common."

I made a couple of more jokes like this and she said "you're hilarious." I said "I was going for sexy, not hilarious"

she didn't respond but based on her facial expression it was very obvious she was saying "how is that sexy" so yeah, I learned something today, you don't want to be funny (you guys did tell me in my journey to tone down the jokes but it didn't really click until today)

I should really stop watching these awkward youtube pranks. I watch channels like bigdawstv and lahwf
i love awkward stuff but it's affecting me in the field. but I digress.

my question is, what should my objective be when I approach? i THINK it should be to find out more about her and see if I like her. to see if we match. right? but the problem is, I have no standards, I like a girl as long as she looks hot.


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I have tried to do some approaches with no success. I have discovered that I approach with the wrong objective.

my objective should not be to impress, correct? my objective should not be to make her laugh, correct? I am really good at being cringy and awkward and making someone laugh. you have seen my journey.

like today I approached this asian girl. she was gorgeous, i have never seen asian this gorgeous. i said "do you live here?" she said "yes" I said "I live here too. we have so much in common."

I made a couple of more jokes like this and she said "you're hilarious." I said "I was going for sexy, not hilarious"

she didn't respond but based on her facial expression it was very obvious she was saying "how is that sexy" so yeah, I learned something today, you don't want to be funny (you guys did tell me in my journey to tone down the jokes but it didn't really click until today)

I should really stop watching these awkward youtube pranks. I watch channels like bigdawstv and lahwf
i love awkward stuff but it's affecting me in the field. but I digress.

my question is, what should my objective be when I approach? i THINK it should be to find out more about her and see if I like her. to see if we match. right? but the problem is, I have no standards, I like a girl as long as she looks hot.

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Bart, you always want to look at very specific things. That's really not helpful. And doing daygame is just not going to end in anything good for you.

You are skinny-fat, over 30, and have no friends. All of the tactics and strategy in the world will get you nowhere.

You want to improve with women here is your very simple roadmap:
1. Get lean(%10 bodyfat).
2. Go to the gym, lift heavy shit (not cardio/running), while slow bulking(300-500 kcal over maintenance).
3. Get some friends(preferably women).
4. Get an edgy style, with sex appeal. Do you think "Is this kind of douchey?" - if so, you're on the right track.

You can deal with all of the other things later. Until you fix your body, your lack of friends, and your safe, non-sexy style, you will not be making progress with 6s, much less 9s.
Dammit man...stop searching for a simple fix or a mindset that will change your results. How long are you gonna keep looking for some words that will help you before you take a good look at yourself and make the REAL, IMPORTANT changes to your life?


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Bart...you work so much on trying to impress and entertain instead of connecting. This is the same as you selling or qualifying yourself. Seduction is all about the emotion and how she feels when she is around you. It's the emotion that you want to illicit is what should be in your verbal and nonverbal communication. If you have a higher social value, joking without any sexual intent can work in attraction. Just being funny on the street with a random stranger will not do a thing for you. Try some approaches without cracking a joke for awhile so you can present a more sexual vibe.

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Bart...you work so much on trying to impress and entertain instead of connecting. This is the same as you selling or qualifying yourself. Seduction is all about the emotion and how she feels when she is around you. It's the emotion that you want to illicit is what should be in your verbal and nonverbal communication. If you have a higher social value, joking without any sexual intent can work in attraction. Just being funny on the street with a random stranger will not do a thing for you. Try some approaches without cracking a joke for awhile so you can present a more sexual vibe.

but I dont know how to put your advice to practice. how do I illicit the emotions?


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Bart...you work so much on trying to impress and entertain instead of connecting. This is the same as you selling or qualifying yourself. Seduction is all about the emotion and how she feels when she is around you. It's the emotion that you want to illicit is what should be in your verbal and nonverbal communication. If you have a higher social value, joking without any sexual intent can work in attraction. Just being funny on the street with a random stranger will not do a thing for you. Try some approaches without cracking a joke for awhile so you can present a more sexual vibe.

but I dont know how to put your advice to practice. how do I illicit the emotions?
How do you want her to feel? You want her to feel like you find her attractive, act like she's attractive. Make statements that express attraction. You want her to feel like she's with a desirable man...carry yourself and act like one.

You're good at making them feel entertained, so you know the concepts I'm talking about if you just think about it. You just have to step out of your comfort zone.

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If you are cracking too many jokes, you might be coming off as a joker (no offense intended), with whom girls feel entertained but not sexually attracted. Once you've created a funny vibe, ask about her (what she does, her passions etc or anything similar) to create a connection. Ofcourse you don't wanna come off as typical boring guy so don't start with "what do you do". Ask these type of things AFTER you've got the girl attracted initially.
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i THINK it should be to find out more about her and see if I like her. to see if we match. right? but the problem is, I have no standards, I like a girl as long as she looks hot.
Bart! I'm impressed. This is one of the most basic steps bro. If you don't try to find out more about a girl, and just act like she's some kind of target for your jokes or pick up lines, well, there goes your chance at making a real connection. You can't connect with someone if you don't know what kind of person they are and don't care. And if you don't care, they will feel that and just ignore you, because really, who wants to talk to someone who doesn't give a fuck about what they're saying or who they are. Do you??

Keep going with this Bart, I think you're onto something bro. And if you make people laugh, then that's a strength and a gift. Just don't overuse it or abuse it. Don't forget about real connections for the sake of a joke. But if you hear someone laugh, then that's an opportunity they are giving you to continue the conversation and get to know them a bit more. Laughter is the door that's being open to a conversation. It's your choice whether you wanna step in or not.

Also, get some standards bro. Being hot isn't enough, first of all, and second of all, that approach doesn't seem to be working for you buddy. Change it asap.


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This bart guy is funny


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I just googled what a skinny fat person is. I'm very surprised at the US statistics. 68% of the US population are obese and 40% of normal weight Americans are skinny fat. That's fucking 75% of the US population have type 2 diabetes.

That basically means 2/3 of guys can't get their dicks up or are semi limp. No wonder 75% to 92% of women in the US never had a vaginal orgasm with their sexual partners yet. No wonder women in the US are the biggest consumers of paid porn.

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Bart, I second everybody else here.

How is your body language? Vocal tonality?

You can make her laugh, great. You're showing interest, great. But there's no connection. There's no challenge. You're just some guy who wants to fuck her, and that makes you no different than the previous guy who approached her.


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Bart, I second everybody else here.

How is your body language? Vocal tonality?

You can make her laugh, great. You're showing interest, great. But there's no connection. There's no challenge. You're just some guy who wants to fuck her, and that makes you no different than the previous guy who approached her.
I dont know what body language and vocal tonality mean. to me, body language means using your hands and making weird gestures to be a more effective speaker. vocal tonality means sounding masculine? I dont know.


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Bart, I second everybody else here.

How is your body language? Vocal tonality?

You can make her laugh, great. You're showing interest, great. But there's no connection. There's no challenge. You're just some guy who wants to fuck her, and that makes you no different than the previous guy who approached her.
I dont know what body language and vocal tonality mean. to me, body language means using your hands and making weird gestures to be a more effective speaker. vocal tonality means sounding masculine? I dont know.
Hi Bart! Welcome to the forum. Take a look around and in about a week you'll easily grasp many of the concepts that are used in pick up.

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I dont know what body language and vocal tonality mean. to me, body language means using your hands and making weird gestures to be a more effective speaker. vocal tonality means sounding masculine? I dont know.
You've been at this for years and you don't know what body language is? Are you for real?

Let's take a step back for a moment. I don't recall who said this, but "Life is not about how much you have (or how much you make), but how much you have to give." You can't have a fuck ton to give to the world unless you put yourself first -- you need to elevate yourself and then challenge others to raise up to your level. And part of that is taking action to improve yourself. For how long? Two hours a day? Three hours? Fuck no. As long as it takes to become wealthy in every area of your life. You have the same 24 hours as Donald Trump or Elon Musk or Steve Jobs (rip) or whoever. What separates you from them? It's about how seriously you take your shit. In a few weeks, you approached 6 girls. That's next to nothing, man. If you want something, you charge full speed ahead like a motherfucking elephant.

When I talk to a woman, my only objective is self-amusement. I will tease her, I will banter, I will spark attraction, I will connect, and if I like her, I will escalate. I know my fucking value and she knows it.

How are you supposed to BELIEVE that you have value when you treat yourself like shit? No offense, but you have no real value to give. In fact, you don't really give a shit. The only reason you're even on this forum is because of genetics -- your dick brought you here. Regardless, you don't really want to work for anything. If you really cared, you would've cleared that 20 women challenge that others gave you and joined a gym and found hobbies and made friends and worked towards your career/life etc a long time ago.


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I dont know what body language and vocal tonality mean. to me, body language means using your hands and making weird gestures to be a more effective speaker. vocal tonality means sounding masculine? I dont know.
You've been at this for years and you don't know what body language is? Are you for real?

Let's take a step back for a moment. I don't recall who said this, but "Life is not about how much you have (or how much you make), but how much you have to give." You can't have a fuck ton to give to the world unless you put yourself first -- you need to elevate yourself and then challenge others to raise up to your level. And part of that is taking action to improve yourself. For how long? Two hours a day? Three hours? Fuck no. As long as it takes to become wealthy in every area of your life. You have the same 24 hours as Donald Trump or Elon Musk or Steve Jobs (rip) or whoever. What separates you from them? It's about how seriously you take your shit. In a few weeks, you approached 6 girls. That's next to nothing, man. If you want something, you charge full speed ahead like a motherfucking elephant.

When I talk to a woman, my only objective is self-amusement. I will tease her, I will banter, I will spark attraction, I will connect, and if I like her, I will escalate. I know my fucking value and she knows it.

How are you supposed to BELIEVE that you have value when you treat yourself like shit? No offense, but you have no real value to give. In fact, you don't really give a shit. The only reason you're even on this forum is because of genetics -- your dick brought you here. Regardless, you don't really want to work for anything. If you really cared, you would've cleared that 20 women challenge that others gave you and joined a gym and found hobbies and made friends and worked towards your career/life etc a long time ago.
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