I've noticed that most girls that I talk to late night at bars; act stuck up like they're the shit. They'll be friends of my friends but whenever I first talk to them, I get some kind of attitude. Let me give you an example; there is this semi good looking girl in my philosophy class, i caught her outside of class last night at a bar and she hangs out with my group of friends, I've never really talked to her before, so first I introduce and I'm like "hey, do you have a philosophy class this semester and she was like yea, I do! We're in the same class, and I'm like sweet" and we introduce each other and then part ways; later on in the night, I was sitting with my buddy Tyler and talking to him, then this girl from my philosophy class comes to talk to Tyler; once their convo ends, I asked her I was like "so tell me Destiny, what do you know about Descartes" jokingly, then she replies I don't know, I don't go to class sorry, like in a very bitchy manner. I was like ok well fuck you then. I was think gin afterwards would it have been better to reply back with some aggression and be like "yea I can tell", with a bit of attitude or did I make the right move. I feel like some girls want you to reply back and put them in their place even subtly. What do y'all think?

Because she can see right through your bullshit game, hence the reaction.

Women are mirrors to how you see yourself and the world.

You need to fix your approach to them.

Whenever I'm getting a less than favorable reaction i know it is 100% on me, and it has literally nothing to do with them.

How do I know this?

Because when i am 'on' their reactions are pretty much universally favorable.

It's not them, it's us.

OP, i guess, during the whole convo between this chick and your buddy, you just said nothing and tried to have an eye contact with her, afterwards u made your approach right? Wo cares fucking philosophie at the bar bro. Try to improve your approach skills, maybe u can neg like u taked too much but logicly, i think that is because of philosophie at the first point then game on her. But wtf raw philosophie, who cares?

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Thank you. That's helpful and introspective.

Ok....

Truth hurts but I suppose you're right man. Thank you, I'll try something different next time.

Plus bro, in every kind of relationship, shit tests won't end. Women do that shit test unconcious, bes way to win these tests is having strong inner game.

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Yea you're right man. Got any good reference guides? I like the whole inner game thing cause I like my approaches to be natural rather than some rehearsed routine.

shit test are done to see how you handle pressure. This is where inner game comes into play.


Alllllll pretty girls shit test. Depending on your frame and who you are, what you believe, she may give you more shit tests than the next dude.

Still, all girls do it. The girls that don't do it are the ones that are desperate, or don't have hot guys hitting on them often. Lets say the average 5. In my experience, this is what I have encountered.

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well, if she didn't get the joke, then maybe your delivery wasn't good or maybe she is just on her period.

in addition to everything the guys above said, girls who give you attitude are often playing hard to get because they dont want to look cheap. they want to feel appreciated and feel like you worked hard to get them. you have a better chance with a girl who is giving you attitude than with a girl who is acting indifferent.

Ok, before all the mental masturbation comes in, I'll be honest here:

1. Girl doesnt initiate conversation with you all the other times she's hung out with your friends.
2. YOU have to initiate when she's at the bar
3. She comes up to your friend, with you there and talks to him, not you
4. When you DO say something to her, she reacts in a negative way

=she's not even interested, and I have no idea why she would shit test if she's not even interested like that.

A girl shitting on you, is not her shit testing you.

There was a frame back in the day that whatever a girl does, see the humor in it. If you're at the bar and a drunk stumbling girl walks up to you and says your mom has a dick, are you gonna care about your response? Are you gonna get in some back and forth over nonsense? Best response...just laugh. Whether your delivery was shit, laugh. Whether she was just being weird, laugh. Dont get sucked into her negativity. You're out to have fun. Laughing keeps your vibe good, shows her and everyone you dont care and even would make her feel stupid. So whenever a girl is being weird, or weird shit happens, just laugh.

I went on a date with this girl I met a through speed dating(don't do speed dating). And she gave me shit test after shit test. I only had 2 hours sleep the night before and had a head ache I was kinda in a WTF state.

This isn't a shit test. The girl isn't attracted to you. A shit test indicates some kind of interest.

There are a lot of women out there. Find ones that are eye-fucking you. Just walk around. Not that hard.

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They will try to test you, but why even worry about it? I’m just myself 100% of the time, so woman is free to do whatever she wants.

If you’re worried about a woman testing you, it means you’re trying to put on an act around her, and you’re worried she’s going to take advantage of you and manipulate you.

If you’re only saying and doing what you want to do, her manipulating you is impossible and becomes irrelevant to the entire interaction..

People have a natural tendency to get away with whatever we can. Important thing to remember is that these girls aren’t interested in you; they’re interested in how you make them FEEL.

This is why you can be the nicest guy in the world, and she’ll tell you how much she loves and appreciate you, but the minute her ex-boyfriend who doesn’t even give a should about her calls, she will make an excuse to leave you and come running for him.

Women, in 99% of cases, aren’t with guys because they “care” about them, their with a guy because they are ADDICTED to him.

The point is, you are irrelevant, 99% of the time a woman is only focused on her own feelings, and if something’s going to make her feel good, she will pursue it.

The reason she was so distant with you was because you think she’s stupid; you think she really thought you came to a bar to talk to her about philosophy?

Girls know why guys come to bars, it’s because they want to get thought. Why didn’t you walk up to her and tell her she’s the sexiest girl you seen all night?

I know pick up “philosophy” says girls here that should all the time, but if you go to an actual bar, you’ll find guys rarely approach girls with the balls to tell them that they are actually approaching them because they’re interested in them.

The reality is, approaching her with some stupid line is what she actually does get approach with all night, and she doesn’t want to deal with that bullshit.

By approaching her and talking to her about philosophy, you’re basically telling her she’s in control of the entire frame of the conversation, then blaming her when she decides to reject you for trying to pull should her like you care about philosophy when you’re the one trying to manipulate her because you just want to fuck this girl.

And you may even try saying you didn’t want that, but if she said, “I don’t want to talk about to desecrates, let’s fuck”, would you said, “no, I really approached you because I wanted to talk about desecrates”?

You had no right to get angry at her, you approached her and said something, she doesn’t owe you anything and is free to respond however, she wants.

It sounds like you’re bitter because you approached her and said that line, and you put effort into trying to start a conversation and telling her something you thought she like to hear, and you’re angry because she blew you off.

My advice is next time try having the balls to be straightforward with her, tell her you think she’s sexy, and you want to get to know her better.

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