Hey guys!

It's been a very very long time since I was active on these forums, I'm talking about 4-5 years. And that's how long ago it was since I studied the game as well.

Well that's what happens when you get married! And now divorced since 8 months back.

I got back into dating again, and to my pleasant surprise something called "Tinder" came up as an option.

I'm a geek by heart, a kind of nerdy guy, but I do look good. Girls I met say I'm an 8-9 on looks alone. But I know for sure that my game is lacking.... hard.

I do get laid a lot, but ONLY by 5-6's, gaming them and advancing kino is always super easy, but I feel like the game has changed since I was on the meat market last.

I finally got to go on a date with an 8, it was all going well. was doing kino, but the kiss never happened, and second date was a disaster where as she was pulling back from all of my kino. She said she has a "Don't kiss on first date rule, even though i really want to". And "I hate when guys are forcing me to do things".

First date was at an arcade, which was tons of fun, we we're basically both laughing our asses off. We held hands. Went into a photobooth that combined our faces to create "Our future child" which she loved. But the kiss never came, even though the moment came multiple times and I went for it, she kept pulling back.

On the second date we went to a hookah lounge here in LA, pretty late at night on a weekday (I work nights and I got off early that specific night).
We talked, and talked. She said "I'm still trying to figure you out". I tried kino and got No good response at all. holding hands was like I was holding a walls hand.

The attraction was just gone.

And on tinder. I do get hot girls matching with me, but it never gets further than that. I've been using a variation of the same opener.


- Name, You just gave me an idea.
- What?
- Lets run away together (If they have nothing on their profile I use this, otherwise I make a twist like "Let's go and have a picnic under the stars then get stupid wasted" if she likes astronomy etc etc)

I'm a pretty lonely guy, lost most my friends after getting married or after most of them moved back home (I live in LA)
I know I need to take a different approach to the entire thing, but where should I start?

It's easy to see why it went the way it did with the "8". Because by your own admission (I know you didn't say as such but I think I could read it between the lines) you were trying too hard because you possibly thought to yourself "i'm with an '8' now i best not fuck this up."

You are telling yourself limiting beliefs that you can change. I say this bold statement because I was once in your spot. IMMEDIATELY stop telling yourself that you are lonely. And that you are a nerd / bad at convos. YOU are not that. The ideas of "i" or "me" are aligned with ego consciousness.

At the core we are all pure energy and pure consciousness.

You have a desire to meet women. To mingle with women. To share your energy with women.

So drop Tinder and go out and engage women in the real world.

There is no reason you can't do so. So the only thing that will stop you from doing so is yourself.

Personally I wouldn't drop tinder. Here's an opener for you too:

"Hey, <name>, my netflix broke. Can I come over and watch yours?"
It's playful and fun. Use it if you wish.

That's not to say you should only use tinder.

I think ocean is right though. You probably got caught in a downward spiral at the first since of non-compliance.

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You're trying way too hard. I can pick your post apart and see a bunch of things "wrong."

It's not what you're doing that girls don't like though. It's who you are that's "wrong." I really don't feel like getting into much more detail lol