Hello,
I wanted to ask for advice on how to change these particular (personality)problems so i can improve my game.
I figured out that, when i like a girl, i get to know her, i concentrate on being funny and a "nice guy".

problem is, that i just always end up in the friendszone, from which there is no way out as far as i can see. i am actually known for being such a good friend helping all the girls out in with their issues, and i dont want to be that guy anymore...sometimes i feel like a psychiatrist!

and if i have rapport with a girl and am not so much in the friendszone and actually create a relationship in romantic terms, i just cant shift gear and start generate attraction through kino, or watever techniques there are.

these are in short my main problems: create connection without sliding into the friendszone, and to close (specially kiss-close!)

i believe this forum can be a big help, so plz, feel free to leave comments.

I just want to say there is nothing wrong with being the "nice funny guy". I hate hearing guys say they don't want to be this guy. I don't understand it, I think it is due to the fact it sounds like it has such negative qualties but in fact they are not. I am the "nice funny guy", yet I am also the seducer, the Alpha... I think your main problem is when you say you can not gear shift between the nice guy and seducer. When you are talking with a girl and the rapport is starting to build where do you see the problems in shifting over to start trying to get this girl to know your intentions are of a romantic sorts?

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The problem is not with being nice or funny. Both of those are fantastic qualities that you should try and build off of rather than deny entirely. If women tend to think you're a nice guy, you should have no trouble entering into an interaction with them. If they think you're funny, you already have a certain level of value, and you don't need to worry too much about building more.

When we begin to escalate, there are a couple of things to keep in mind. Escalation is a matter of sexual tension vs. sexual release. We build sexual tension through the judicious use of statements of intent. "I find that really sexy," "Oh the bad-bad naughty things I'm going to do to you," or "You're awesome! I guess you can be my new girlfriend." Are all examples of statements of intent. You don't mince words, you don't hold back, you just state plain on the table what your intentions are. If you're worried about her reaction, quickly change the subject to something inherently less (and yet more) sexual. Sit down with her. Touch her on the shoulder (woo kino!) while telling her how much you love her shoes. This sets up a sexual message and then places a block in front of it; sexual tension.

Keep doing this until her clothes are on the floor.

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just had to say monkey that your response here really made a clear point to me. the idea of making a sexual message then putting up a block by changing the subject. amazing how differant wordings make some things so clear.

Hey DLG, hope you're finding the forum helpful so far!

When you say you feel like the psychiatrist, I am taking that to mean that you are sitting there listening to a girl tell you about her issues with other guys and things like that. What I've done a couple of times was to pretend to sleep like fake snore while she's talking about these other guys. It gets her to stop talking about her dude problems pretty quick. If I don't do that I generally just limit my responses to "mmhmm" or "oh, that sucks" and change the flow of conversation to something more positive and not "other guy" related.

However, if it is a serious problem such as her father has cancer...then definitely listen to her and talk to her about it. I take this to mean that she is looking for someone to confide in.

Hope this helped a little bit. Looks like Monkey has ya covered in the other spots!

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Thanks u guys this is cool!

I get what you mean, about funny and nice not being bad at all.
I think that was my problem, I never actually made my intentions clear.
U know, I have this weird mindset which I am trying to change. I used to think, I can make a girl attracted to me by being there for them, and helping them (which is ok) and hoped that by that they start being attracted to me, which appeared to me is wrong. I never directly engaged a girl to make her attracted to me, always tried to get them "round the bush".

thanks everybody so far!

My advice is not a change in personality. but getting moe confidence. You get more confidence in yourself and your abilities and it will seem like a change in personality. I was the funny guy as well but now that I show more confidence and with it seemingly more alpha male, women don't see me as the 'friendzone' type as much as they do a guy they'd like to date.

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I have found this post very helpful from the input so far i would also like to add

1)In my experience it is nearly impossible 2 get out friendship zone once your there...which i think you know already.

2)Its good to be funny and nice but make your intentions clear before you get stuck in friend zone...ie build up the sexual tension...tell her you find her sexy early on etc

3)Dont take the nice too far and become a suck up, as david de angelo says "dont be a wussy"

4)Make some new girl friends that your not trying to sleep with but use them for practice.

peace out

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yeah i have to agree with beno i think getting out of the friendzone is almost impossible, however like monkey and a few others have said dnt change the nice and funny guy bit (thats what i am and it works for me) just demonstrate higher value when talking to the girls and a bit of cheekyness and u will sucseed, from their point of view they hav aguy who is nice, funny, cheeky, and got loads of value - what more can a girl want



Rock On !

slowly incorporate alpha traits one by one.

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