What sparked this thread is a conversation I had in chat where a guy claimed he wasn't a pua, but used natural game. We were talking about a girl who asked a question on how to get a guy back who went cold via text messages. He claimed the stuff that worked on women could work on men...

BTW I'm of the stance that strong male dominant body language and strong psychotic eye contact are not attractive qualities I look for in females.

Back on topic -

A PUA is a guy who is good enough with women to get them to do something they had no intention of doing from the start. That is it.

The artist part of the term being the point of it all. There is an art to persuading women with no immediate intent into doing something you want them to do.

A PUA is not a guy that plows through 99 rejections to find the one girl who would have been interested in him regardless of what he says.

A PUA is not just a guy who uses manipulative tactics and performances. If guys who do this can get women to do something they had no intention of doing from the start then he is a PUA, but his type does not define PUA as a whole.

As far as what you do, it doesn't matter - you could have read no PU books in your entire life - if you can get women to do something they had no intention of doing from the start then you are a PUA.

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You've made 64 posts in 3 days. Congratulations.

What the fuck was the point of this one?

Rejection is part of life. Everyone deals with rejections.

Nice to meet you too majikal,
On the 64 posts note I'll tell you straight up, my schedule involves me living at home paying no rent while my mother foots all of the bills.

I could work because I have a degree, but she agreed to let me stay here while I start a business after she lived off me for a year, got on her feet and got herself a house.

My day is waking up and doing practical magic from initiation to hermetics (sadly I'm still only at level 1), checking the forum, going outside for a few hours talking to women, then coming back here, checking the forum, and then reading books and acting on my business plan, while periodically checking the forum.

Now that that's out of the way, to answer your statement...

Yeah a PUA faces rejection, often, and I never said he would persuade every woman he meets because that's common PU community sense that something like that doesn't exist. However, he sure as hell does not face 99 rejections to get 1 close. A person using a "PU" pedagogy like this is not an artist, therefore he is not a Pick Up Artist. He's just a Pick Up Plower, workhorse, a skilless man who is no different than an average joe who has 0 game but has common sense and the ability to walk up to 100 women.

People who play the game here are playing it on easy and do not deserve the honorary term of artist because there is no art involved in that man's craft.

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"Keep your head up in the sky, you just a baby."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HccL8jUIIWU - Adoration of the Magi Lupe Fiasco