So you can get numbers and it's not a big deal to get rejected, and you feel like all the hard works been done. Lo and behold you have not gotten girlfriends. BUT they usually break up with you somewhat early in the relationship like 3-6 months.

How do you get over blaming yourself for not doing the right things and being ignorant to alot in relationships. She breaks up with you, so you know you messed up somehow but don't quite know how. It's happened a few times and there's no big reason on my part they can name. There is usually an "excuse" like some other guy from there past is back in the picture or I've heard they have to concentrate on their family more from a girl who has a kid. BUT the real reason behind that is I messed up just being me and who I am, I wasn't high value enough to keep the girl.

So how does "value" change in game vs once your in a relationship and what things do you do a little differently in a relationship vs pickup? I thought it was about making plans and following them, which I did. Maybe I was seeing them too much, only 1X or 2 every week or texting too much. I responded to most their texts. What behaviors are different or change once in a relationship that are different than the typical alpha male pickup stuff?

And what are some good relationship pickup guys to learn from?

You're right that their reasons are bullshit, but probably not right on the reason.
"Value" is almost complete bullshit. There is status, which is relevant status to the girl. There is basically no such thing as universal status. There are things like confidence and drive, that may be somehow related to "value" but not really.

Anyway, why did they break up with you? Most likely, because they got bored. Whether that's because she doesn't feel close enough to you, doesn't have enough fun, isn't able to do enough things for you, isn't getting turned on enough - I don't know. But it's not you, it's how you're making her feel.
I wouldn't learn about relationships from most PUA coaches. None of them can keep women, even when they try.
Honestly, the *only* good relationship advice I have seen from PU guys is from Chase Amante.
But to summarize briefly, it's all about her emotions. She needs to be emotional around you. It's best if it's mostly positive. But she needs to be feeling things. Being with you has to be more exciting than her usual options.

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There's a very high probability that your bedroom skills suck. Women won't say straight to your face that you suck in bed. In fact, they'll tell you the exact opposite so as not to hurt your feelings or destroy your ego.

Depending on the study, 70 to 80% of women still have to experience ONE vaginal orgasm with their man. Another very reputable study found that 75% of men popped their load within 2 minutes. Sadly, the average woman needs around 21 minutes of proper foreplay and another 21 minutes of proper male genitalia pounding at the right spot, duration and rhythm escalation before she can achieve ONE vaginal orgasm.

Surprisingly too, several reputable studies found that 60 to 72% of women still don't know what a woman's orgasm feels like. Moreover, an even bigger percentage of men DO NOT know what a woman's orgasm looks like.

Based on my experiences, the main reason why women cheated/ cheat on their boyfriends or husbands with me was that their lovers sucked in bed.

The numbers don't lie. Search my older posts for the links to such FREE studies that are mostly hosted in a US government website.

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The game doesn't change. Maybe a little, but not much.

You still have to keep doing all the things you did to acquire a woman interest in the beginning later on in the relationship. You have to keep being YOU, so they can keep being them.

This is where many guys fuck up. They being getting overly emotional and overly invested. They lose that edge they had in the beginning of the relationship and the get overly attached.

The game never ends bro. You have to keep that slight level of "willing to walk away" detachment you had when you first met her, because that is what attracted her in the first place.

The moment you feel like " I would never leave this girl" is the moment she will leave you. Opposites attract. Detachment brings in attachment and vice verse. And women hate being detached, so if you're overly attatched they natural become detached and resent.

Its the guys fault though. A woman is always following your lead. They reflect your own self back to you. So how steady and stay strong from the beginning for the rest of your life.

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By this I'm taking you mean it's not him (what is him) but a thing the he is doing that causes her to feel a type of way that makes them leave him?...That's a little confusing V.

Anyway, OP I noticed in your posting style you used the word you a ton when referring to yourself. Try switching that habit to saying the word I.

On your post...

I have no idea how you operate or what type of "game" you use. Despite what some people may think on this forum game is not a universal term.

I will say that it is a bad idea to use the things you did to attract her with the things to keep her. Attraction is fleeting. If you want a real life comparison it would be like watching a really good mystery movie. After the movie is over, it's just never as good the second time around. After you sleep with a woman you can't use all of those attraction tactics anymore since she is aware of your sexual prowess.

You have to go into relationship mode. Read the Tao of Badass for a great piece on all aspects of game. he goes over why you have to change up your behavior when you get into different realms of engagement with a woman.

I will say this... If you want love and relationships to remain a mysterious chips fall where they may concept then stay away from that book. He removes the veil and breaks it all down into a scientific abc formula.

If you think it's just a simple sexual thing. Look up how to make a girl squirt with your fingers. I also have links for exercises that you can do to give yourself strong long lasting erections and have multiple orgasms like women do. It's gambler advice, and it works wonderfully.

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More like, girls get bored by default. SHE IS bored. You have to be the one who sparks her up and gets her out of this state. Whether it's sensational boredom, repetitive boredom or sexual boredom, ANY of these things will result in her looking for a new spark.
Girls are emotional vampires. They almost cannot feel good alone. This is why they're always, always with someone else. Whether it's a boyfriend, a female friend, or some person she doesn't even like, she mostly hates being alone. It's maybe 1/5 women that are able to be alone for more than a few hours and be happy.
One of the major things I noticed in school and college, was just how consistent this was. If a guy is hanging out with another guy or a girl he isn't into, it's because he likes this person. Girls? No. They will spend hours, and hours with people they detest. Because being alone is even worse. Because they get bored. Girls hate being bored. Especially attractive girls. Because when a girl is bored, she eats. And she can't very do that and stay attractive.

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^ A revelation. This is going into my book of quotes. I knew girls where weak conversationalists already, but I never thought about these perspectives.

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.