I've used the forums here in order to get advice from PUAs who are better than myself. And that has proved to be very useful for me. But one thing that I've realized is that it's hard to give advice to someone if you don't actually SEE him in LIVE action (but rather are forced to read his biased perspective of the pickup situation). Feedback from other players around the world, is more accurate if they could see my style of game upclose in video-format than if they were to read my puny attempt at describing with words.

I really, really want to take my game to the next level but it's really hard for one to identify his own sticking points. This is mostly because we are biased and hate to judge ourselves unfavorably. In all truth, as you can tell from my infield video, i'm not getting the results that I want (because of the less than favorable reactions from the girls) and I don't know why this is so. Please tell me WHAT ON EARTH am I doing wrong on these approaches?!?!

More specifically, you will notice that on my last few approaches the girl WOULD NOT contribute to the conversation but only gave *one or two* worded responses. This sticking point really upsets me because I keep encountaring this issue and don't know exactly overcome it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bghCQh ... e=youtu.be



^my infield video

Do you want the truth?

Some women will be attracted to you and some women will not be attracted to you.

What I got from watching the video was that those girls whom you approached simply was not all that into you. And really that is OK. Because not every girl is going to like you.

So my advice for you would be to simply keep on approaching women and eventually you will meet and come across a girl who is deeply and highly attracted to you.

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Too outcome based. Dude just act like a person not a robot regurgitating routines, you'll be far more personable that way. People intuitively detect when you're putting on an act.

Deadpan. Your voice has no intonation, no changes in inflection, nothing.

Also, opening with routines is a bad idea. Say hi, introduce yourself, get them to do the same. Ask how they're doing. It's what normal people do. If you want to rely on routines, then do those things first. When it comes to the routine itself, I hate the way it's used. Did you hear there was some professor who's phone was stolen? Yawn.
At the very least modify it. After your normal person stuff, tell it something more like "I just saw the craziest thing this morning!" and with enthusiasm, tell them the phone theft story again.
The reason they start talking amongst themselves, is because YOU aren't projecting strong enough energy. Some people are really friendly to shy, low energy people. And I'm not saying you need to bounce off the walls with energy and become a weirdo that freaks most people out like Owen from RSD.

It's a fine enough story to tell, I suppose. But a good story is about %80 delivery. One of the best stories I ever heard was an old fat lady telling a story about how she went to get her mail, slipped and fell down a gravel driveway and took a half hour to make it back to her house in the blistering summer heat. On paper, it sounds awful. But, well delivered, it was good. And probably took ten minutes to tell(also came up for a related reason in group conversation, not randomly delivered up).

As for the second woman, yes, you did get a good initial reaction. And you then immediately stacked into another routine. And that routine had NOTHING to do with what you just said. It's socially weird, and probably the main reason routines don't work. It doesn't feel like a conversation in any way. Then you go immediately into ANOTHER routine. It's been maybe 40 seconds, and you've gone into three different routines. Even as routines go, this can't be right. I'm not even watching the rest of it. You need to stop it with the routines.

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Stop trying to follow routines like a robot and work on your charisma and tonality.

You may also need work with your inner confidence and body language (I can't see your bodylanguage in this video but you seems un natural and uncomfortable so I can only imagine).


You need to start becoming a natural. Seems like you've read enough material.

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Drop all your lines altogether. If you MUST use them because your self confidence is so low then at least drop the stupid adopting one. What if someone you say that to, is adopted?

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what you said is true and profound. now what's the point of game if you can keep approaching until you find the one? the point of learning game is to increase those odds. i'd like to increase those odds by learning which things i can do to improve my current game.

i've received multiple responses from fellow players who strongly suggested that I drop the lines and focus on a more natural style of conversation. A conversation that happens in-the-moment, is natural and spontaneous. That way i'll come off as more authentic, real and genuine.

While the problem with using routines and memorized scripts is that they come off as fake, robotic and usually not congruent with my body-language.

By no means am I arguing with this point. Improv, REAL conversation is MUCH MORE powerful than "fake pre-planned" conversation. However, I encourage you to try see things from my point of view:

Why i will keep using lines and routines... despite your concerns


(1) I'm not good at coming up what to say when I first approach her. My mind goes blank and i'm like "uhh.................."

If I don't prepare what to say then I won't have anything to say!! My mind just freezes and nothing comes out of my mind of what to say. Routines is the ONLY way I can actually have something of real value/interesting to say.

Because I suck of instantly coming up with something awesome (or anything) to say, as soon as I see a girl.

(2) Even if I do think of what to say, (which is often unlikely), it will be lame. And lame often isn't enough to actually HOOK the set. In order to HOOK a set you have to have REAL value to offer her, and being lame isn't sufficient. Being lame will bore her.

(3) Let's remember the fact that Mystery uses routines and a lot of biggest names in the seduction community (including neil strauss, and nick savoy) fully support routines. They are extremely effective. The only reason they aren't working for me is because I'm not doing them right: NOT because they are a wrong tool to use.

For example: a grenade is dangerously lethal to someone who knows uses it. But to someone who can't use a grenade (like me) i'll probably just blow up myself and everyone around me LOL. Just because I don't know how to use a grenade doesn't mean grenades suck.

(4) The biggest reason routines aren't working for me is because my verbal bodylanguage makes them seem fake. All I need to do is fix that, and they will rock. Let me say this one more time: THE ONLY REASON THEY AREN'T WORKING IS BECAUSE OF THIS SPECIFIC BODY-LANGUAGE ISSUE WHICH I WILL FIX. AND THEN THEY WILL START WORKING AGAIN.

There is one point, that I will agree on, however. MAYBE routines aren't for me. Some people just weren't born for certain things. Maybe the use of routines just don't work for me. Not all wands fit all wizards. However, i'd like to try routines a bit more before I give up on them (especially since all the logical points that I've shown here support this decision).

(5) After the conversation becomes full-blown and she hooks, I switch to improv, natural conversation. So i'm not using routines for the entire pickup, but just to (1) hook the set and (2) to get into a full blown conversation.

i would be offended. and that's exactly the point. the neg works as a disqualiier.

people have pointed out that my bodylanguage sucks and that it comes off as unnatural and someone pointed out that the story was boring.

thanks. i also liked the line "the craziest thing just happened. i shall be using that"

I'll grant, I haven't seen any of Mystery's infield videos, nor Style. However, I imagine their "routine stack" is at least full of related material. I know Sinn's was and he was one of Mystery's instructors.

Even if you must use routines, at least create a "stack" that flows. Going from neutella to adoption to whatever the third thing was in 40 seconds is just bizarre.

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It does not work as a disqualifier. I can assure you, that girl did not think "shit, I must prove myself to this guy". She thought "WTF is the deal of that retard, first he annoys me with his shit story and then he insults me? Go die, man!". Which, admittedly, is a kind of human and normal reaction.

Quit the negging altogether, for real. A neg is something you use on 8.5/9s, since they are sure enough of themselves to know how to take it. Also, you should be "getting along" with her or the group first, so it is CLEAR it is being a bit of a pun and not just ofensive. You are just coming over as awkward and ofensive by doing that.

You sound as if you have read the Mystery Method and taken it WAY too literally. Right now, the story from the girls POV is more like "wtf so I was sitting there chilling and there was this guy with freaking SPY GLASSES who came over to me and asked me the grossest questions about nutella and shit". Don't get me wrong, Mystery is a fucking legend, and having a couple of prepackaged lines can help you if you get stuck at some point during a conversation, but they should be an aid, not something you use to shape your interaction. All that stuff you said about "I HAVE to use lines because if not I cannot hook the set" etc. etc... THAT is your problem. Work on that. Crash and burn until you actually are good enough to come up with good conversations.

I admire your dedication, you have balls. Change your game to a more natural style and you can make it. A confident "hey, what's up, I am XYZ" can go a long way, way longer than any precanned opener. A cool guy who wants to have a proper conversation, that is who you want to be.

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