I'll keep the story as short as possible. I started going out with this girl about 3 weeks ago. We seem to enjoy each other's company and we seem to really click and get along well. My interactions with her usually consist of flirting with her and joking with her. We usually only go out once a week because of conflicting schedules because both of us have two jobs. That results in the dates ending early most of the time because she has work at night in her other job so I can't take her to the bars or clubs to get some drinks despite wanting to do so.

I've been showing my interest in wanting to be more than friends with her. When we're walking or sitting down, i've put my arm around her and she doesn't seem to mind. The problem is, I notice she isn't doing it back by putting her arm around me as well. I admit though I haven't kissed her yet because I haven't been in any situation where I can do it where it wouldn't feel forced. I also am not sure if I am the one who is supposed to be initiating the kiss (even on the cheek) or she should be the one doing it. I ask this because i'm not even 100% sure she feels the same way about me that I do about her.

All my friends have told me that she clearly likes me and she clearly wants to be with me but they all notice that she seems to be holding back her feelings. She's a little shy because when I first met her, it took her a while to open up to me but me and her eventually became closer. How close though.... whether we end up being friends or lovers.... only time will tell

Anyway lately she's been telling me a lot about her personal life and all the problems she's been going through. I admit i'm not very good at listening to other people when they vent to me but I try my best to be a good listener and I try my best to have something to say regarding what she's telling me.


In conclusion, the question I have is this.... since she's now telling me about her personal life she obviously trusts me but the question I have is.... am I friendzoned? Do I still have a chance of being more than friends with her or did I reach my ceiling when it comes to how far i'm gonna get with her? What should I go moving forward when it comes to my interactions with her?

Any feedback would help greatly. Thanks in advance guys.

Honestly just go for the kiss man. Dont wait to long or else

you might really get friend zoned.

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Is it cool if I start off with kissing her on the cheek or should I go farther and go for a kiss on the lips?

Relax my friend, the friendzone is pretty easy to get out of and the sooner the better! next time your together stare a bit into her eyes and use a lot of kino, and if she reacts positively and starts playing with her hair, touch you without needing to, go for the kiss when you hug goodbye and if she dosent fancy it just give her one on the cheek so she have something to think about, and then see how it goes the next time your together and try to escalate a bit, and if she actually has friendzoned you, then let the game begin. and we will guide you through it. all of the girlfriends i have had, have friendzoned me at first, because i let them, because i find it much easier to get close and get them interested when their guard is down

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Put on a romantic movie and when the kiss scene comes up talk about how passionate/hot/romatic it is and ask her if she will help you practice kissing. If she says " we are just friends" , 1) you know where you stand 2) you say, " i know, thats why I feel comfortable asking for you help on this." or some bullshit. If she doesn't resist you are in. Good lucky my man.

Okay I have a question. There's a chance that she may not be able to go out this week because of our schedules conflicting. We both have two jobs and she might not be available tomorrow and the only time she might be free is next week.

Is it fine if I am taking the relaxed approach and letting her just go out whenever she's free for the whole day or should I be taking more initiative and find a way to get her to go out within her schedule even if it's only for an hour or two?

are you trying to fuck her or date her?

Honestly either one is fine with me but I'd prefer to fuck her.... lol!

Tell her you "no problem, no big deal". Don't make any plans with her. Wait like 3 days and see she if she is available for a short and casual meet up. Drinks after work/ coffee before work/ walk the dog/ run an errand with you. Tell her you both work too much and you deserve a short break. Work some time in with her this way and go from there. Be persistent and confident.

on a side note, avoid the "whole day" date. Extended periods of time together are fine but start it off with " lets get a cup of coffee and walk through the park", "I know you are having a lot of fun with me, it doesn't have to end, lets get some lunch". Planning a date for an entire day is very stressful on both parties, but in the moment it is much easier mentally.

Dude, what are you doing? 3 weeks you've been "dating" this girl and you still haven't even kissed her?! C'mon man! Sack the fuck up and do it!!
No! Fuck that "only time will tell" bull shit! YOU will make it happen or it won't happen at all. If you don't make it happen, you're gonna be the guy who takes her shoe shopping while she fucks someone else... If that's not already happening. She is shy because you are shy. This isn't grade school anymore dude. If you like the girl, you show her that. You don't sit around waiting for her to make a move. You are the man. You make the move.

You lead. She follows.
Yes you're in the friend zone. She now feels comfortable with you and doesn't have to spread her legs for you. You were in the friend zone before she started telling you all of that shit. You put yourself there by not being aggressive enough.

You need to be more aggressive and powerful dude. Be a fucking lion. Get some "UMPHH!" behind you and start making moves. Stop being so scared.

On the contrary.... I am glad to see that you are going out and meeting girls. Keep that up for sure!! Just work on getting better.

Okay I agree with pretty much everything you said. I know I gotta be more aggressive and show her more that I want her but here's the problem.... what if i'm not sure how to go ahead and do that? The reason I wasn't as aggressive as I should've been is because I don't have much of an idea how to go about this. For example, with all the dates I've had with her, what exactly are things I could have done differently in order to make this work?

Also, is there any way of getting outta the friendzone or is my fate pretty much sealed and i'm stuck here in regards to my relations with her? I know you're telling me to be more aggressive and man up and kiss her but has the ship sailed and is it too late for this already with this girl?

As i said earlier the friendzone is not a bad thing if you use it right! all of the girlfriends i have had, is ones that i have been friends with first and said they would never feel anything fore me, but a bit of game and manipulation can change everything. you now have her trust, and know her better than you did at first. she feels comfortably around you, which you have to use. The best thing you can do is to break out of the role of being her friend, and letting her control every situation. women are attracted to strong men how can take control, therefor you have to do that. and another important thing is to make sure she sees you in a sexual way, plant some images in her head about you, and use some kino on her, and escalate later on... but the longer you are friendzoned the harder it is to get out of it


keep me postet of what is happening. and dont be afraid to ask

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Okay here's what's going on so far. Me and her spend time together at work a lot during breaks and it's looks to me that she likes me because she doesn't mind at all when i'm escalating kino on her like when I put my arm around her when walking together, putting my arm around her waist, touching her face, etc. I don't think a girl that's nothing more than a friend to me would've let me go that far but I can be wrong. We go home together after work and I usually drop her off at home. I never really found the "right moment" yet to go for a kiss but hopefully it's gonna come soon because I felt that if I went for the kiss right now that it's gonna feel forced since the appropriate mood wasn't set yet to go for the kiss in my eyes.

The kino that i'm doing on her seems to be going just fine but i'm still trying to figure out how I can make her see me in a sexual way and how I can plant some images on her head about me. It seems that our relations are kind of a mix between being friends and being more than friends with me obviously trying to steer our relations to being more than friends.

I need to ask bro what would you do differently tomorrow when I see her in regards to our relations?

Did you ever hold her hand when walking?