Any advice on first dates (with quality girls)? Whether from a blind set up or after meeting at a cafe etc.
Thanks!

Well first off, I wouldn't date a low quality girl anyway. But I would suggest an action date something you can go and do together (mini golf, bowling, ice skating and etc...). Anything but dinner and a movie and just game her from there. Don't forget your kino!

Have a good date man.

Thanks brother. So mini golf or bowling is definitely a good first date? If so, why?

Well for starters you get to check out her ass when she's bowling ''

Do something that doesn't cost money. I suggest window-shopping. I love window-shopping like most men love violent sports. There are, in fact, many similarities.

If shopping isn't your bag, try going out for a simple walk. It's good for you, you get some fresh air, and you can talk for the entire time. Which, really, works in your favor.

Sound cheap? Well it is. I'm a firm believer that, until she's slept with you, you owe her nothing. A second meet is hardly the time to start shelling out cash to be around her.

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Or if you have money at the time... Have her watch YOU shop. I did that one date. It was pretty awesome, plus I got her to give me advice on some clothes

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Thanks. That's great advice!

I get all flustered and insecure and in pain when I first call a girl (probably due to past depression). Any advice? What should I say? What should I not say? How do I demonstrate higher value without being cocky etc.? Both with blind dates and with phone numbers from bars etc.?

In pain? Well first and foremost, you shouldn't be using a phone like that... It's wrong...

Phone anxiety is just like approach anxiety. Just make the call and start talking. That's the first step in any part of this game. Just stop thinking about it and do it.

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I never said I pay for the outing to mini golf, skating, etc...I pay for myself assuming I'll have fun and she pays for herself. I don't owe her anything, you're right in that Monkey...I just wanted to clear up that point. Since I didn't do it in my first post, thanks for making it clear to him, Monkey.

Like when I went out with this chick for some mini golf last Saturday...afterward when we went to Starbucks she even payed for my coffee! Shame that date went so well and I haven't heard back from her... She mentioned something about a trip to Mammoth in her near future so we'll see, if she flakes then oh well! I'll replace her.

Newtothis, there was a thread recently about having phone anxiety. I don't remember what the title was but I found advice that I've used recently: Call a good friend or another girl beforehand to get you into that comfortable talking type of mood. That anxiety should have a little less impact on you after that. Also if you can, try to open conversation with her using something that relates to the last time you met and keep the call short and to the point. If you get the answering machine, leave a message so she knows why you called.
If any of that was gratuitous information for you, then I'm sorry

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