Fact is:

any girl can get a guy 100% of the time


but for a guy it is impossible to get a girl 100% of the time

you either:

a: need to be 7.5 & up out of ten facially with an alpha mentality

b: need to be 9-10/10 facially

c: need to be a sociopath with a lot of time to "work" on the girl

d: have status; either fame or money

Even with the above your chances are still not as high as an average looking, average job, average life girl. (unless your a celeb )


This is reality. A girl even a 4/10 girl will be able to get a guy any time she wants.

I knew a guy who was a fitness underwear model and still used to get no women.

BTW this figures only hold true if you want to consistantely date. If your just looking for "the one" for life or the charity highschool girlfriend. Then that can happen for anyone regardless of the above. Timing, luck, desperation on the girls part.

But if you want to be in control and call the shots, make it happen. You need to be in the above example criteria.

PUA essentially tries to blend options c. and d. and lightly touch on option a:

However for

d: faking status aka peacocking/highfives/artificial social proof can be seen right through

c: you dont have a ton of time to work on the girl, and using scripted lines almost always are not congruent with your personality. and even if get the girl short term aka number date1 2, you cant hold this persona for ever. Once the lines wear off you will slip back to your norm. also you are not really a sociopath, real sociopaths can hold this forever and transition perfectly

a: Almost none of pua is alpha. going direct can be alpha but usually the lines that follow arent. since they usually follow by routines.

Dude

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dude

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Go back in history. Cleopatra was able to seduce Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony. Not Octavius though...

Right there your wrong. Stop trolling. Can't believe i wasted the effort to respond to this.

Reality is subjective. This is YOUR reality. This is not how the real world works. This is how YOUR world works.

Good luck to you dude. You need it.

Maybe your reality is this way, where you can't do stuff right so you justify by saying that this is all BS. Yeah, there are a lot of "gurus" out there who just want to take your money. There are also A LOT of really good guys who just want to help others out.

PUA/game is not about lying to the girl, making shit up, whatever, at least for me. For me, it changed how I interact with people. It showed me the value of giving value vs. TAKING value. Yeah, I learned "lines" and "routines" too. I don't use the lines or routines much at all. I just let it flow naturally, because I changed my way of thinking.

I can't believe I've written so much in reply to this. If you want to believe that women only want looks and money, go for it. Most of us know differently.

So you really think any girl can get any guy she wants 100% of the time? This is a falsehood and I think you know this deep down. You seem very hurt by womanhood and I think you need to really think about why you are thinking like this in the first place. Psychotherapy is a great place to start. Not kidding.

Do you know how many girls I have come across who are having trouble withe finding a guy? A lot of single girls on my course. A LOT of the times the girl looks good but guess what, she's shy, socially impotent, or just plain stupid.

I come from a culture of well educated international people, and the girls I get along with the most, the girls I fall in love with, are girls with similar education, are pretty, sexy, intelligent, think for themselves, know about similar shit I know, etc. There are girls that would NEVER have a chance with me, there are girls that would have a chance with me only if it were a houseparty and well, things were happening, then there are girls I pursue unapologetically.

I know a few girls who are 19-20 and virgins, and they are not even that bad looking. However they seem to have extreme insecurities in some way or another, just like people who come into PUA start out. However guys who get into PUA work on themselves to change themselves, to transform, to change their world outlook, their thought patterns, their behavior on the outside. Girls usually NEVER do this, because they think just like you do "I can get any guy I want" when in reality they can't because they don't put any effort into it. Just because you are involved in pickup and all you hear is about guys chasing girls playing hard to get, etc. doesn't mean that these girls can get any guy they want. Usually girls end up with the dude they hook up at a party with, and that becomes their long term boyfriend. Think about that for a second. Were they as smart, or let's say have us much insight as we do on the subject of dating, they'd know it would probably be a better idea to take control of their dating life and go through a few guys until they found the right one. However they do NOT do this, and therefore they cannot get any guy they want.

And then there comes the subject of guys with girlfriends. A lot of guys I know, in my social circle, will stay committed to their relationships once they are in it. One of my friends is in a 3 year relationship now (I think it's that long) and he's had offers from 2 extremely hot Russians who he turned down (yes he is absolutely sexually attracted to them, having gone so far as to give them a massage and playfully kiss them, but he did not sleep with them).

Would girls have it easier if they were to take a similar path as us? I believe so, because men are very attracted to looks, and as such men need less optimal character traits in a girl to sleep with her than girls need in a guy, however girls do not go on this path and probably will not for quite some time until we are all enlightened and realize that true freedom also includes sexual freedom. This will probably happen in a few centuries to milennia. Until then you can rest assured that woman cannot get 100% of the guys they want. Fact.

Oh my dear lawd Jesus it's a troll!!!!11!!

2/10 - I saw through you like glass and this is like my second post here. The only thing keeping you from getting a 1/10 was that I pity you - I bet what you posted is actually your reality. Poor little pumpkin.

Everytthing ive said is correct. Im not trolling. In regards to girls not being virgins. This is because they arent aware they can get any guy they want. Like you said they are shy and reserved.

The point of this one point is, any girl can get a guy 100% of the time....notice I didnt say ANY guy. Take any girl thats not hideous hb5-10 put her in a bar a street a train station.....tell her to raise her hand and say "im really horny and need some dick", she will never go home alone.

get a guy, hell even get a good looking guy to do that and he more or less wont get anything the odds are probably 1/20 it will work.

That was one of my points....


also girls care more about your status then we do.... we just care if were horny and our friends wont find out if we pork the fatty


wearing a feathered hat and telling stories is ill in comparison to the guy with high social status and a cool real frame

to girls status is everything, all they care about is looks and social prowess

like I said great persoanlity/game will work great if you are: naturally awesome at it, a great sociopath, either way you need a lot of time with a girl for her to become attracted to you this way

making it very hard to do, since pua is geared mainly at bars and daygame... bar is the hardest for verbal game by far, daygame is still hard because people are in a go

a great real personality or a real sociopath will outshine pua any day

and both these things are ideal in situations like work or school where the girl will be a repeat customer

Drop the girls in your life off that fucking pedestal and rethink your principles. You got work to do man. Better start now.

there is no pedestal for them

I am saying, we need to be on the pedestal, we dont take them off the pedestal with negs, WE ARE ALREADY ON THE PEDESTAL

you guys will lol when you realize I am right....I was a PUA I learned from some of the best, I learned why it works and why it doesnt

One thing you have to understand and differentiate here is the concept of PUA. Pickup is not about a guy peacocking or walking around with crystal balls and trying to convince a girl to sleep with him. Pickup is a term that refers to showing your real personality side and being honest with what your intentions are so that you seduce the girl into bed. You are not forcing the girl to sleep with you, neither are you cheating/lying your way to bed. Male or female, we are all humans, and we ALL have sexual intentions and desires that are embedded deep inside our systems. Females love sex the way we (men) love it, the only thing that keeps them from showing it are the stereotypes that society implanted in us (whore, slut, bitch, prostitute, etc...).

You mentioned something about a "normal person with decent social skills can beat a PUA anytime". If you come to think about it, that normal person is categorized as a PUA when he experiments with such skills on females. In other words, you are contradicting yourself with two ideas that have the same definition.

However, I do agree with you with the idea that any girl can get a guy into bed. Maybe not ALL girls, but around 99% of them. This is because, as I have mentioned before, guys can express their sexual intentions freely, whereas girls can't because of the stereotypes and reputation that society forces on them. Not to forget that girls can be virgins, can get pregnant, and can lose decent reputation in some areas. However, all a guy has to do is to stick his penis and nothing would happen to him after the sex is over.

You do not need to fake yourself in order to attract girls. You do not have to see peacocking as wearing holy feathers on you, but as what suits you best and makes you look attractive to other people, or unique. You don't have to categorize yourself or rate yourself in order to attract a female. Instead, show your real personality and passions.

It seems that you have tried to memorize lines and routines and tried them out, but they did not work. DO NOT DO THIS. This is the problem with most guys in PUA. Routines are just a way to help you keep a conversation going. You can't keep playing games and doing 100s of them to get a girl interested. At one point in the conversation, you must expose yourself and talk as the person you really are.

Do not under any condition put false requirements for guys to get girls. I've seen bad looking guys having the hottest girlfriends. I've seen girls craving for sex and even telling me that they want friends with benefits, but having too much insecurity to walk up to a guy and telling them. I've seen all the things you said you would never see. It all funnels down to your past experiences.

Try to be more open and break free from your leashed mind, you'll start having new perspectives that you never thought you'd have.