so i've been out twice now, not doing too bad for a newb. but as i'm reading more and more posts i keep seeing somehting that's cropping up. "no substitute for experience" which i totally agree on, a regular cry for "new material and techniques" which get resposed to with "be yourself" or "act", and the advice of all to develop one's own material so as not to run the risk of running a script the HB has encountered before. now, my question here is, having come from a major dork background of roleplaying, D&D, LARPS etc., how often, or rather how many of you successful PUA's out there totally reconstructed your mental and social routines, utterly adopted a "Mr. Hyde" personality to your Dr. Jekyl? i've heard numerous times about how once some of the ingrained mental patterns are changed there is a sense of being a new and differant person, but how many of you started with changing the whole enchilada before just tackling parts, and how did it go over? do you reccomend trying out an entirely actor style of approach? i'm curious because i'm having difficulty as a newb discerning what is an old hangup and what is a new area that needs work and polishing. and i think some advice and/or success/failure stories would be a big help. i plan on trying both approaches soon anyway, but anything would be helpful.

Honestly, nothing much changed for me. My conversations have gained some structure, and I'm definitely more confident, but I think that is a secondary benefit from having learned game rather than a change to my personality. I'm STILL a major dork. I play D&D every Sunday, and I work in a comic book shop. I have the word "GEEK" tattooed to the back of my neck, and I'll gladly show it off to girls I've approached.

What your question comes down to, I think, is a matter of personal style and technique. I sincerely doubt Jaxin and I have taken similar paths through our transformations from AFCs to PUAs. His style relies more on learned material than mine, and his techniques (NLP being a good example) occasionally border on the sinister. It is difficult for me to believe that he has been true to who he was before he started game. Where I look at people like Shaft and M, who seem very naturalistic in their game, and I think that they have found a way to maintain their core personalities whilst supplementing their conversational skills.

How much you change is really up to you. If you are content with who you are, and would like to change only your lack of success with women, there is a PUA camp for you that is spearheaded by Charisma Arts et al. If you think your personality could do with an overhaul, there is a camp for that too, fronted by Speed Seduction. And there are a lot of places in between, a lot of schools of thought that can be brought into your style. Choose your gurus, but choose them with care.

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thanks monkey, i see your point about it being more a question of personal style. as i'm just getting started i don't have one yet and haven't had much time to try out many differant options. i know i need to just continue to get out there and do it, and will be doing just that. i think too that i might have an inner game problem, mayb eyou can give me a pointer on a good starting place here. i've been a one-itis sufferer for oh, 27 of my 27 years of life, and a part of me inside as i read all these posts is screaming "that is so wrong, these are the guys any HB's you used to go home and fantasise about hooking up with that have filed you in the LJBF catagory and spill thier guts to you, are doing to make these girls miserable". but another part of me that i found rather surprising and is just as loud is saying just the opposite, because even though these guys were always in the "scumbag" catagory for me, the proof of thier success is undeniable as i see them getting married by the dozens to HB's while i as the "undauntable nice guy" sit at home weekend after weekend cursing cosmic justice. so i need a change in my inner game. i've read most of the threads here on it, but that section seems a little thin on info. so do you have any good resources for working on inner game, getting rid of my "nice guy" misconception? and thanks for the reply above too

If you own your inner geek, girls won't see it as a negative, and they'll actually be attracted to how secure you are about it. We all have our little quirks. It's just a question of how we wear them.

As for the acting: try doing some real-life role-playing. I'm an actor myself, and like anything else, the best thing to do is practice. Think of it like playing a game. After all, we actors act in things called "plays." They got that title for a reason.

Monkey you play DnD ever Sunday... wicked... . I should get my ass to Edmonton more often. Also thank you for the naturalist compliment you big sexy man you. I would like to add a comment, the only thing that has really changed with me is, that I have accepted who I was as a person, I am completely confindent in who I am and what I am capable of, and I am cabable of everything. The only thing that has really been bugging me lately is my lack of motivation to start working out. I haven't been to the gym in 2 months and with all the alcohol I have been consuming it's starting to show . But other then that you should never need to change who you are just to impress girls. Remember they have to qualify themselves to you... not the other way aroumd. Woman really are attracted to guys who know themselves and are not afraid to act out who they are around them. The only acting and lying I do is from the book of Monkey. I will act gay around woman in order to ease tension... but in the end they really don't care that you said you are gay. I know that was in the book, but Monkey and Myself have both field tested it.

Heh. I don't even really have to try to "act" gay. I come off that way all the time because I'm a flamboyant person, and I paint my nails, and I'm really high-energy when I'm sarging, all qualities people attribute to stereotypical homosexuality. Which is funny, because my little brother is homosexual, and he doesn't act like that at all. ^_^

Inner game is a matter of accepting who you are, and accepting that you are perfect the way you are. I don't tell people to act arrogant. I tell people to BE arrogant. Love who you are, know what you're good at, understand your faults (but don't be held down by them) and let other people know you believe that you are awesome. I believe you're awesome. I believe that every person one this forum (yes, even Jaxin) has some amazing potential that is just waiting to be realized. Requiem, you are a great big sack of awesome, just the way you are, and when you believe that to your CORE, other people will believe it too.

When I walk into a store - it doesn't matter what sort of store - and start talking to the people behind the counter, 75% end up smiling. Those that don't are usually in a bad mood anyway. I make people happy. I make the girls I am with happy. I've spent a good long time working on my skills in the bedroom so that I can give girls the most pleasure possible when they are with me. I _look_ average; in reality, I'm fantastic.

You are too. Not just Requiem, but everyone reading this. You are fantastic. Or you will be, if you want to be.

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I think sometimes we don't realize the power of our minds/inner game because most of the people have been repressed by society and most of the people have a low self esteem (Because of our society). This low self esteem persons are insecure of themselves and are allways trying to fit into others expectatives.

Stop that, You are capable of everything you can imagine.

The fact that you are reading this and you are part of this forum means that you want to change and become a better person and this is only the beginning. Believe in yourself. Accept yourself.

" Enjoy your body, use it every way you can…don’t be afraid of it, or what other people think of it, it’s the greatest instrument you’ll ever own.. " -Wear Sunscreen

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