background: she's really into me and she's extremely intelligent (potential female PUA i swear to god)
day 2 date coming up because I handled the phone game (luckily) pretty nice this sunday

Me: So what days would you be able to hang out next week
HB8: um I'm not sure. when are you free?
Me: nope haha I asked you. don't turn it around on me.
HB8: well im not sure I might be free wednesday or thursday but one of those days I have an appointment. So how about you call me monday and we touch bases.

(red flag bc I read you must lock in a date and not leave things open ended)

Me:...
HB8: is that ok
Me: um no, bc then it looks like im the one nagging and begging for you to hang out and I'm not about to do that. you can call me when you know when you are free. How about that.
HB8: oh! um... I'm free Wednesday or Thursday. I'm not sure though.
Me: Lets just pick Thursday then. 5pm? I'll pick you up.
HB8: ok!

old me would of said ok call you Monday, luckily I read some posts about phone game the day before.
question to all of you would be:

1) How do you get your self back in the zone of reminding yourself YOU are the prize and keeping your self in check while in with the target. It's ripe for a Kiss Close Thursday. I could already tell I'm thinking too much about it bc I'm posting here.

2) Do I have to wait for another set of three IOI's before I go for a Kiss CLOSE on a day 2?

Setting will be. We're going to hang out at a park, little picnic, some free shows in the park will provide some entertainment while we huddle under a blanket till night time (making sure I don't spend anything on her until I get a Kiss close) She's the outdoorsey type and is not terribly affectionate but loves when I initiate KINO and she'll follow me lead. Any tips for game plans for Thursday to ensure a k-close? what are your high success rate routines for these type of situations?.

thanks in advance
-BILLNYE

I would of just called her on tuesday.. You over text'd just a bit on a few of those.

Anyways, guys mostly relying on self talk to keep themselves in the prize mentality; I know I'm the prize because I have a few different women chasing me at all times. There isn't any self talk needed. So the best and most genuine way is to literary be the prize with women. Getting good at this isn't about pretending, its about actually getting out there and getting good.


Second.. that IOI rule is ancient. Discard it.. You can't possible be living in the moment and presently enjoying the date if you're sitting around studying a girl to see if she likes you. She's going to like you simply because you are YOU( thats prize mentality). No one with a prize mentality is counting IOI's because they are the prize and know the girls likes them instantly.

Men with the prize mentality go for the kiss when they feel like it and if they're met with rejection, they just try again and again..

P.S. I would still place in that phone call, I'm willing to be she will flake on this date if you don't..

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thanks a lot. never thought of it that way. Much more realistic to have your mindset than actively look for IOI's and yes I did, called her Tuesday/talked then she called me Wednesday morning just to shoot the shit around. AND she already asked to hang out Monday as well... if I don't k-close this by then I'm a chump....

later!

Hey mate,

ok, i am going to be harsh and straight to the point. You should take it personally (as i really do it to help) but take no offense when i cross a line i dont know off .

Some things are really focussed on what you have said. Read them, but keep in mind that these few pointers are just pointers. They alone will not get you laid, though added together, they should point into a better mindset for you.

ok, lets take off:

that line in bold seems a bit douche to me. Probably you said it thinking too much about 'how can i be the prize'. In the start, its ok to have thoughts like this, but actually you have to BE THE PRIZE, you need to know this. You are or you arent. Also, it would have been perfectly fine to have just answered her question. You could have said: "i think i am free on thursday and friday". if you are available, you are. Dont say:'but i am not sure' just to add some 'dramatic/i try to not care/ i want to convey i have things to do' effec to it. If i was you, i would just be honest about it.
That thing in bold is bullshit. Ok, its not a bad thing to do, but this seems more like hard sales trickery to me. You can leave things open ended. The point is: if she is interested, she will make sure that she can make it at some point.
The line in bold: you wanted to avoid looking like a douche but ironically at that moment, you do seem a bit douchy. In my honest opinion, you could have just skipped that line. It was totally unecessary and it conveys the fact that you are conciously busy with how she would about you. Better would have been:
"you know what, lets just pick Thursday. Check you agenda and let me know in time if you can make it or not. I ll do the same."
In this way, you take the lead in what is going to happen. Leading is an 'i am the prize mentality' characteristic. Be decisive. Women tend to linger and look for dilemma. I hate those moments where they are pondering about what to do, but actually all they want is you to make the decision for them.
In my opinion, there is no such thing as text game, there is no such thing as phone game. Doing phonecalls is a waste of time. I use it to plan get togethers and sorts of stuff. This is just in general, from what i can read, you were just making a date .
you are right about the fact that you are thinking too much about it. You think so much about it, that you forget one very important thing: "what is it that you want?" You are so busy thinking what she might be thinking about, wondering if you still are a prize or not. But actually you should be thinknig: what the fuck do i want? I want this date, so i am going to get this date. If she really doesnt want to, its her loss. So you want the date, you need to make it happen. A true man goes for what he wants. A true man is not afraid of what he wants. The worst that can happen is you not doing anything at all. The second worse is that she rejects you. So what? You want her, she doesnt want you? NEEEEEEEEEEXT!!

Who are you? What are your principals, your passions? Stick to your guns and you will be a prize. Have the balls to stick to your guns and you will be a prize.
I totally understand the thrill you must have when you imagine kissing here. Honestly, i do. But like any goal in life, its the journey towards it that makes it real, that makes it interesting. In the end, a kiss is just a kiss. What i mean is that you should focus more on the entire interaction instead of that mental masturbation image of you kissing her. If that is your final goal for that date, there is no more room for something else. She might even want to fuck you, but all you are going to do is kiss her and your night will be made, but you could have kissed her AND fuck her! See my point?

I must say, hanging in the park, little picnic, free shows... that sounds very cool, exciting. Its an ideal context for getting to know her. And you should get to know her! Who is she? And not the sort of shit like: her name is Miranda, she is from Cleveland and her favorite color is strawberry white (???). No, start on the surface and dig deeper into her personality. Relate to her if you can relate to her. dont forget, you can relate by being totally against an idea as well, so stick to your guns! Dont be afraid to tell her you find certain things about her sexy. Actually, that should be the thing to look for. What is there in her personality that you find mighty sexy? If you found it, tell her! Tell her straight in the face (if you have the balls to go for what you want that is) : 'Darn, you stood up for your cat all by yourself? I think that is mighty sexy. A woman who can stand up for something she believes in.' Its the best complliment you can give, because it is true and genuine. Escalating from here is easy as you smoothly can say: Among certain other things.... (or other flirty shit) She can either go with your flirt and then the games begin. Or she doesnt react. Then just continue talking, lead the conversation towards more intimate topics and try escalating again. If she doesnt react at all, she is not into you. NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEXT!!!

There, i hope it helped. If you have questions, shoot! That is why we are here for.

I wish you the best and... let us know how things worked out .
cheers!

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LD appreciate the honesty! totally not taking it bad, that is what criticism is suppose to do, point out things so i could address them and make it better.

I have a question to ask all of you: This same girl loves talking on the phone for talkings-sake i guess. She just called for a goodnight talk and that lead to more talking.I obviously would rather talk in person and wanted to cut it off but saw no reason to end the convo when she genuinely just wanted to talk and get to know me more.

What does one do when phone talk is no longer about setting up the next meet and goes to fluff talk and she's into it?

Thoughts?

Others have already commented a lot on the convo. For the date, start the date late or close to night time. Don't worry about a k-close, just be physical/kino etc and try to escalate (see if she wants to come back to your place if the date is going really well, to watch some funny youtube vid or whatever). a k-close does not change much in terms of your chances to see her again and really (f) close, so don't get too caught up seeking it; keep your eye on the ultimate prize. Also, please don't play any of these stupid kiss gambits out there, they are really pathetic. Develop actual attraction for a kiss to come naturally, i.e. where you just get close to her and you know its going to happen.

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UPDATE: everything went well

After the disastrous drive (text fighting with her brother) she turned off her phone after the drive, and from there everything was smooth. I took the advice of no kiss gambits and not thinking about any IOI's etc. and that was the best thing I could of done, I was more focus on what she was saying and that made it waaaay easier to improvise on the spot, make her laugh and have a good time.

the whole time she was more eager to get it on than I was tell you the truth (guess i made a better first impression than I thought). So i noticed that and changed my game plan: In the beginning is where I took a gamble, the first time our faces were close (4 inches at least) she def. looked at my lips and expected me to kiss her and I consciously passed it up. I did that twice to tease her but all the while escalating our talk and sexual kino-ness. I KNOW i know, but hear me out. The gamble was worth it, bc then she was going crazy after the third tease. she was all over me smelling me and doing insane amounts of KINO. we were in the park and not until we were back on the picnic blanket as she was feeding me and what not, then I grabbed her chin and kissed her when she least expected it. but then pulled away then watch the free show non nonchalantly . She melted. She couldn't wait till intermission to go back to the park and get it on with a lot of making out and fooling around.

And that's how the night went, I was satisfied with my experiment and the results. no f-close but she wants to come to my place next time.

I offer my thanks for the advice from everyone, def helped me out and clear my mind.
any analysis is welcome if you want!

Hey mate,

you are welcome! As analysis is would say: you handled that like a pro. Very nice !

cheers!

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I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Great job! Funny how turning down the kiss works, isn't it

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