I've realised, my successes with women vary, i do really well sometimes to a point where i can secure a fuck close after talking to the girl for 5 minutes but other times i come across as being a complete AFC despite going through all the PUA guidelines.

I realise the less i say usually is the best, to the point where i have the attitude that i don't care, and i don't want to really speak to them. Whenever i start to actually show a lot of interest in the conversation like i would do with a friend, they seem to hold off and attraction starts to get lost.
Why is this though, sometimes i can be expressive and excitable at social occasions, like parties and i can pull it off, but most of the time being aloof just really works out.

Has anyone else found the same, i suppose some people have their own niche and maybe this is mine, which i am surprised about. Oh and btw i wouldn't say that i am a boring person in any sense, i have a lot of DHV stories and generally speaking live a high value life style.

Cheers

It's simple.

When you aren't outcome independent and your kinda just chilling, not really giving too much attention to the girl then this is different to what other guys are doing, you are unique and this interests her. Once you break that mold then she loses interest.

Just a note, Don't hang the string too far away.

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I always thought the major difference between an AFC and someone who knows what they are doing is that someone with skill tries to say the right things, while an AFC tries to not say the wrong things.

Yeah i see both of those points.

I've noticed that i tend to score with girls I'm not that attracted to, because I'm kind of pushing them away when i talk to them, keeping answers short, turning them back on them, generally acting like I'm not too fussed about the question and could be doing something else. It's a shame as a i genuinely like a passionate filled conversation about something but there you go ! women eh

It has a lot to do about framing. If you come off as a cool guy and start flirting and then the conversation moves to boring (i.e. not flirty and fun), then what sparked the interest is lost and you start to be evaluated from a potential partner standpoint.

Why do you have the idea that a passionate conversation and a pick up conversation are mutually exclusive? I can assure you, they are not. The point is to get the girl to talk and engage her mind sexually towards you. However, if your interest is really to find some chick to listen to you spout your fountains of knowledge and wisdom for 15 minutes and then take you home and lick you, well, good luck with that.

I want to find out what she is passionate about, especial in the relationship & sex area and get her talking about that. Those conversations are hella fun. It's about being interested in her, get her talking and make her laugh, preferable at her expense.

Because you usually say a lot of stupid stuff like many guys out there, often times less is more - women are used to guys SELLING themselves by talking too much, telling them their life stories or trying too hard to be funny. Talking too much is a form of qualifying to someone, and is almost always a turn-off unless you're a professor giving a lecture at college. Being a good listener is actually far more of an attractive quality, we've got 2 ears and only 1 mouth for a reason.

Ain't just you Pretty much applies to us all, really.

haha, why isn't this featured more predominately in the pick up artist books though ?? this has been my biggest sticking point, and now its as clear as day.

The only question is though, how can you initiate interest, if you are qualifying yourself, by initiating a conversation, this is what i find tough.
Some girls like to be persisted and chased after, how can you deal with them ?

Think those sorts of girls, the ones who expect to be chased and reject men for all these crazy, trivial reasons, are the ones who end up single and alone in their mid twenties, blaming men for not being perfect enough and buying lots of cats to compensate

I don't believe that some girls like being chased. They think they do but the truth is, they're programmed to want someone who's too good for them, so you have to present SOME sort of challenge for them. There are definitely ways to artificially engineer situations which allow you to do that, and there're some famous PUA techniques out there (hitting on a hot girls ugly friend, etc etc), but I guess it comes down to being able to be a good actor in the end, lol!