how long do u usually talk to a girl before extracting her? what things have to be done before extracting? does bringing a girl to the other side of the dance floor count?

I'm assuming you are talking about Isolating? You want to isolate her once you have established mutual attraction. Once you start qualifying her to be your "girlfriend" is when you want to move her. You can honestly take her 2 feet away from the group. When you isolate her, you want to stay in range of her friends. Going to far away will make her feel unsafe or uncomfortable because she can't see them. AS LONG AS she can see them, you're golden. You can stay there as long as you'd like. The last thing you want is for her logical side of her brain to over throw her emotions and now you are stuck with a girl who is creeping out saying "I've gotta get back to my friends."

The whole point of isolating a girl is so she can feel that "moment alone with you under the bright shiny spot light" lol not to seduce her there. If she is with her friends, shes probably not going to leave with you. Period. So win the group, then win her, then isolate her, then YOU BRING HER BACK TO THE GROUP. Its better to be the "cool guy" than "the creep wearing the sunglasses who took her off to no where" on the ride home when all her friends are asking her about you. That's when she is going to logically realize that you are some random dude she was making out with. You want her friends to get inside her head talking about you and your chances of closing on a day 2 are HUGE.

thanks for your detailed reply man. and thanks for your reply on my another thread. i am always confused about isolation. So do i see it as a chance of getting a kiss close? Or is it just a time for building rapport?? Is it better to just no. close the girl, and then k-close + f-close on day 2?

I ALWAYS go for the kiss when I first meet her. It kind of "seals things" a bit just because that allows us really the most "physical connection" with out it being borderline seduction. There is a very, very fine line between making out and kissing... and foreplay. If you are still in a comfort building location... You should not be trying to seduce her. You should definitely keep the sexual banter going... but don't be sticking your hands down her pants in the middle of the dance floor. That's what 6th graders at home coming dances do... You're a fuckin MAN. not a boy.

You want to extract her ASAP. Get her away from her friends, they are cockblocks and just more annoying obstacles to deal with. You don't need to win them over, that's bullshit PUA masturbation. You win YOUR girl over, and all else follows through, now you just need to handle excuses/logistical problems correctly.

And yes, the dance floor counts, getting her to follow you around flips a switch in her head that you two are a couple, and you're leading the interaction. So when it's time to pull, there is less resistance.

Girls won't leave with you if shes with her friends. Simple. She wont want to look like a slut. I don't know what the fuck you are talking about don't win her friends.... That's the idea about pick-up is you have the ability to be attractive to EVERYONE... Not pull some girl who's a pig. Bad advice will get you bad results...

And dance floors are going to create even more obstacles... You are putting yourself around more people that the energy is higher. You want to control the energy levels... Not let the environment control it.

KJing at its finest.

lol whatever dude. quit giving bad advice and saying "JUST GO FOR IT"

learn how women's brains operate, then come at me, cousin. If you wanna try and shoot me down... atleast say something that makes sense. If a girl lets you treat her like a slut, and acts like a slut... she probably is a slut. Some girls are easy. Teach quality, not quantity dip shit. You only get one dick and there's alot of STDs goin out there homie.

thanks for the advices from both of u guys. personally, sometimes i befriend the HB's friends sometimes i don't. it depends on how the interaction goes. usually i walk up and introduce myself to everyone. if the music is too loud or the group is too big, i would approach my target first. or at least i stand close to my target. if the HB's friends are being bitchy, i wud try to neutralize them. if the HB is really attached to me & her friends are cool with that, i wud start dancing with her. i am not very consistent with isolating a target. i only do that when i know the girl is really attached to me.