Hey guys,

I was wondering if I could pick your brain's for advice with about this chick. So I’m going to college in Duluth Minnesota and I met this girl on the bus ride back to the twin cities for spring break. Basically what happened is our bus was delayed by 3 hours due to some mechanical bullshit so we were stuck downtown with nothing to do for that time. We started talking in the bus station where we were stranded, I figure out she’s a freshman and the college I attend (I’m a sophomore) and she came up with the idea to kill some time by walking around the city for a while, we went out to eat and fucked around for a few hours and basically talked for 3 hours straight. I was doing my best to make her laugh and just keep her entertained and all that shit. It is very rare for me to be able to hold a conversation with someone for that amount of time but for some reason with this girl it wasn’t hard at all. She was really interesting and fun to talk to and time flew by. She was also really attractive and probably out of my league which was a plus, however I wasn’t really nervous around her or anything like that which was weird because usually when I talk to hot girls I get all nervous and either can’t think of anything to say or say something fucking retarded. I have a hard time picking up on the subtle cues of attraction from girls so I don’t know if she is attracted to me in a sexual way, or if she was just being friendly, I’m guessing it was the latter but I guess I didn’t really give her any indication that I was interested in her sexually either but I would guess most hot girls just assume that most guys want to bang them. I obviously attracted to her, and I’d like to hang out with this chick in with the hopes of eventually hooking up.

So I guess my question is: How do I go about doing this without seeming creepy and with this most chance of success? I was thinking about inviting her and possibly some friends over to my apartment to have some beers and smoke hookah(we both live on campus), but I’m also thinking that maybe I should see if she wants to go somewhere just with me, like out to eat or to some public place. Any major do’s or don’ts that I should be considering right now to reach my goal of hooking up with this girl would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: Just added her on facebook and figured out she has a boyfriend. I'm not worried, however this should drastically change my gameplan.

Bump.. Would really appreciate some opinions on this.

That was your biggest mistake right there. Now the boyfriend knows who you are, you know her social circle, you are now quickly going to get friend-zoned. Avoid Facebook for dating, get phone numbers.

Think about it. If you're trying to get laid with this girl, you've added her on facebook, people she knows now probably know who you are. You're no longer that "mysterious stranger" she could get away with fucking without her boyfriend knowing. You are now embedded in her social circle and therefore impossible to fuck without dumping her boyfriend.

You'll have to run Strawman on her boyfriend and show you're better than him without negging him.

Fuuuck. Knew adding her on facebook could have been a dumb idea. I guess my reasoning behind it was, she saved her number in my phone as her first and last name, so I could easily find her on FB. And I just gave her my first name, so even if she wanted to find me she couldn't. Probably not sufficient reasoning but what's done is done.

There's a concert coming up at my school in about a month, how would you go about inviting her to that? I was thinking of asking her if she wants to stand in line with me to get tickets in a couple days. Good or bad idea?

This is my most important question here: I was thinking of a clever line to say where I could say something like "Yeah now you gotta go with me to the concert, it's a lot easier to get into the front row if you have a hot girl with you (which is completely true and I want to be in the front row since this is one of my favorite artists). I know mystery and other pua's say to NEVER compliment a girl on her looks though. What would you say would be a good alternative to say just to get the same point across here?

Standing in line is not an exciting idea for a date, what is wrong with you? I can't think of anything more boring than standing in line. Where is your sense of adventure?

If you're going to compliment a girl, don't just use words like "hot". Also realise that Mystery is not the grand wizard of pickup. Avoid compliments that are general and vague, like her looks, her general clothes/fashion, her eyes, her hair. Be different with your compliment. Choose something specific that you've noticed about her that others wouldn't notice. Touch her right off the bat, strong eye contact, physically escalate, quickly.

Look up Strawman technique on how to deal with the boyfriend issue.

Right, standing in line might not be the most exciting thing in the world. It's sort of a weird type of rush though cause the concert is going to get sold out on the first day, and it would be cool to get tickets together (I think). Maybe I'm wrong here.

Do you think getting tickets myself, and seemingly spontantiously asking her if she wants to come with me a couple days before the concert b/c I have an extra ticket? They're only 10 bucks so it's not like I'd be DLV'ing too much here.

As for the strawman technique, thank's for that but I've already seen it. Will definitely use.

What would you say are some exciting/not boring things I could do with her that she may have not experienced before? I was thinking of inviting her over to hookah, inviting her to come pregame with me then go out to a party on the weekend, or just to go to the food court sometime. Any advice is appreciated and thanks.

Hang in there buddy. Keep doing your thing. It will all work out.

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lol thanks for the confidence boost, but any specific advice regarding my last post?

Stop trying to think of ways to impress her, you're trying too hard, which puts all the power in her hands. You are putting this girl on a pedestal so high, she is out of your reach. You are not a challenge to her. Girls like to think they have to work for a guy's attention.. Right now, you are doing all the work, she is just reacting to your contact. First up, remove her from Facebook (don't block her).

Don't buy or give anything to ANY girl you have not had sex with. So that includes tickets. Just let her know you'll be there and she will buy her own ticket if she wants to see you.

And I don't know how old you are, but buying tickets with a girl is not exciting at all. I don't care if Michael Jackson is back from the dead and is doing a once of a lifetime show, the actual act of queuing, then purchasing the tickets is not exciting, even if it's sold out and even if the actual concert will end up blowing your mind later.

Invite her out for a drink, keep it simple. And don't pay for her drinks either. You're not going to get the girl by spoiling her. She needs to earn your attention and so far, you have DLV'd yourself to a far lower level than her boyfriend.

If she turns down the concert idea and then turns down your drink offer, you may have to accept that you've blown it with this girl and move on and try not to make the same mistakes next time with a new girl. This girl is just one of many options to you, this is the way you should approach all situations with women. You're way too available and focusing all your energy on her.

Awesome advice. I like the drink idea, only problem is that we're both under the legal drinking age. I was thinking of inviting her over to my apartment to smoke some hookah and have a few beers. I've definitely built up enough comfort at this point to invite her over to my place (i think). Only problem is this could get boring at some point. I totally agree that my actions have put her on a pedistal thus far so I obviously gotta change that.

Fuck the ticket idea, that was dumb. You really think seeing if she wants to go to the concert with me would DLV too much(assuming I don't offer her a free ticket)? Saying something like "hey are you gonna see ___ when he comes to campus" then "we should go together" if she says yes? Or would something along the lines of "oh cool I'll probably see you there" if she says she's planning on going?

I mean, I honestly wouldn't mind having this girl as a friend as I'm sure she has a ton of hot friends that could end up being easy targets and get me into quality parties if I end up going out with them. I guess my question here is: Would the straw man strategy fuck over a possible friendship if it backfires and make me look like a jackass?

EDIT: Also something I was wondering: 2 girls and a couple of my buddies are coming up to visit the weekend after this one, and I have a fling with one of the girls (HB 7.5-8.5) and she is always all over me when we hang out (don't ask me why). We've fucked multiple times already so I wouldn't even be gaming her. Would inviting the girl from OP over to party with us while the girl I have a fling with create jelousy that could benefit me at a later time when me and girl from OP are alone or be a turn off in your opinion? I know there a lot of other factors to consider here but I'm just wondering in general.

She has a bf, let it go. Why jump in the river to catch the same fish you can catch by standing effortlessly along the river bank.

FYI boyfriend destroyers don't exist, only guys who live in fantasy land will fill you with the false hope hat they do.

Sounds like you need to read a pua book. Go to your local book store and go to the dating section and go through a few pua books and find the one you like. I learned most of my stuff by reading the book "The Pick up Game" by Robert King. Another popular book to read is "The Game" by Neill Strauss. I learned most of the stuff by reading a book. I use this forum site just to have people to discuss pua with and to hopefully learn new things.

This is so AFC its somewhat sad. Do you know that you are not helping yourself by trying to figure out "cool ways" to complement her and give her the higher status right? I like how you try to McGyver around Mystery's advice to find another way to be a lovable loser. And despite all this, you think this is the most important solution to your issue. You need to review how attraction works with woman before coming up with any more plots and schemes, machinations and hi-jinx on your own - they are destined to backfire.

You're AFC, you'd know it when you see it.

Cjc651, it is very AFC. It's almost cute. It's no problem though, everyone has to start somewhere. You've already given your power to this girl and I'm sorry to say you seem to be looking to put yourself into the FZ.

Reread your posts and pull your head out. Why do you lack confidence? Why are you needy? What's wrong with just seeing yourself as the shit? All I can read is a guy trying to figure out how to hand his balls to a girl.

Personally, I'd stay away from this one until you stop being needy. Don't mean any disrespect to you, just trying to put it straight.