Ok so heres the deal. I have about 25gigs worth of material from such PUA's as Ross Jeffries, Mystery, David DeAngelo etc. iv even bought the books The game by Niel Strauss (the book that got me started), The System by Roy Valentine and classic The Layguide by Tony Clink.
Altho i havn't made it though all this material yet i have a rather good understanding of how the game works and is played.

However altho i have this knoledge and have often used it to help my buddys out when i could see where they were going wrong (like a true wing does) i have had trouble myself putting it in to action. i feel mayb its just lack of practice on my half and i need to just approach more woman more often but i still find this hard.

Its like when i start chatting to a woman it will start of well but eventualy i eigther-

- run out of things to say
- go in to autopilot and forget to pick up on body language and maintain eye contact
- start talking my ass off
- forget her name (this happens alot suprisingly)
- forget everything iv learned and act like a complete chump

Do you think these sort of things come down to just practicing more or am i missing something?
Does anyone one else have trouble remembering the pua information they are given when theres a beautiful woman chatting to them?

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It's the familiar love-hate syndrome of seduction: "I don't really care what it is I say, I care only that you like it."

i think you just need to study and practice more
you also sound like you need to learn about conversational skills
theres books out there on how to hold a conversation
maybe you could get a wing to watch you while youre running game so he could tell you what youre doing wrong
or you could bring a micro-recorder with you so you could record yourself while youre running game so you could review it later

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People seeking to excel have continuous barriers to overcome.
~Live the life you love~

yes. and relax. it seems you're experiencing AA really hard. maybe do a few newbie missions - they never hurt. and they might evolve into something bigger than just the mission. I regularly do those kind of missions and I pretty much never (I can't really say never) experience any AA what-so-ever.

that's my advice. when you chill you remember stuff and use it.

and of course practise as much as you can

good luck

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I'm not much, but I'm all I've got.

n00b thing to say here but what is AA?

i will definatly take your advice and try some of the newbie mission

also id really like a wing but when ever i try to speak to my mates about pua and seduction they get uncomfortable and make me feel like an ass for even looking in to it.

Also can anyone recomend any good books on conversation skills???

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It's the familiar love-hate syndrome of seduction: "I don't really care what it is I say, I care only that you like it."

AA is approach anxiety

how to start a conversation and make friends by don gabor is a good one
how to make anyone fall in love with you by liel lowndes is a really good one too

just browse the self-help section of the bookstores; you'll see alot of them

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People seeking to excel have continuous barriers to overcome.
~Live the life you love~

thanks dude

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It's the familiar love-hate syndrome of seduction: "I don't really care what it is I say, I care only that you like it."

a good way I have found when you forget her name, if it's going well, is I hand her my phone, say "hey my buddy needs me, I can see him looking over here, but I would like to continue this sometime." by giving her my phone is shows a level of trust to her, and the fact that I'm telling her I'm leaving is basics 101. once I have it I can leave for a little while and find out her name from the phone.

Iv actualy done that once or twice already. Great minds think alike.

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It's the familiar love-hate syndrome of seduction: "I don't really care what it is I say, I care only that you like it."

You got 25 gigs!?

I only have about 2-point-5 gigs PUA stuff, and I thought I had everything.
Seriously, it's time for you to get in the field and practice. You have more than enough info, the only way to improve now is with experience.

Don't worry.I was pretty much the same until recently.I got about 13 GB of PUA stuff spreaded accross my pc's from home to work to laptop to pda and I have pretty much studied everything and looked at different perspectives.I studied 2 months, used the excuse that I have to learn more before go out and never even spoke to one chick.
I had a 3 month downtime before I came accross "How to become an Alpha Male Book", when I read it I got back into everything.Started going out again for the past 2 weeks and doing much better than before.
I also used to always be able to help out my fellow pua friends, but when it came to me, I didn't even make eye contact with the girl.

So like it was said before in this thread (sorry can't remember who said it) you just have to relax, take it easy and stop thinking too much about your material.It will come eventually, I mean you will make yourself interesting if you don't spit an answer out immediately, take a few seconds to think (which is your pause time), it will add a little effect to your conversation and make you more interesting.

good luck

yeah. I agree, How to become Alpha Male is one of the greatest books.

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You don't know the future, you can't change the past. The only thing that matters is THE CURRENT MOMENT.

No the best damn thing to say when you FORGET a name is..........I don't want to pernounce your name wrong, can you tell me how you like it to be pernounced? Simple, shows you care while bullshitting. Example Rachelle, and Rachel are identical names but pernounced different. Like if her name was Jenna, and she says all her friends call her Jenn instead. Ya getting a name is a joke seriously, don't sweat that. As for your game, GET REJECTION fear out of your system. I got rejected so many times I really lost all fear, but I still make excuses to not approach women which I need to improve on.