There was a really interesting thread that came up about trusting women.

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The discussion really got me thinking.

There were some who said "ya women are sneaky b1tches", some who said "trust them there great", and some who got burned and are hostile.

Are we men predisposed to put women on a pedistal and worship them? I mean i feel like in my heart i just worship women. But in my experience they have turned out to be manipulative, deceitful, crooked and mean.

On the one hand i have what i feel in my heart which is to believe in them, trust them, have faith in them, always see the best...

And then my head has this different reality that my heart doesnt want to accept.

Any thoughts...?

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Stan

"don't listen to this creeper reputation bullshit, girls like to get hit on / get attention, don't be afraid to do so, girls forgive advances, but they NEVER FORGIVE PUSSIES" - from pumpington

We are genetically programmed to find them overwhelmingly attractive. This doesn't mean we have to put them on a pedestal or worship them. You just have to overcome those primitive predispositions!
I used to think this way, especially after my first girl friend, who spent months hatching evil schemes behind my back to seduce my friends and turn us against each other for no purpose other than her own sadistic power and glee.

For a while I thought she was evil, and then I had the epiphany that she was just very mixed up and sad. Pathetic really. You can't hate someone who is pathetic, you can only feel sorry for them.

She was an exception. Most women are not outwardly cruel, and although they may be confusing and give off mixed or contradictory signals, acting to like you one minute and forgetting that you exist the next, you must recognize that they don't do it on purpose. They give mixed signals because their emotions give them mixed signals and they are confused or change their mind about what they want based on things that are so imperceptible and small that you might not even notice what triggered it.

If women weren't so difficult to get along with, there would be no incentive to stick with a woman after getting her...you would just move from one hot girl to the next and you'd never really fall in love or stay with one long enough to raise children. It's all part of the evolutionary trap.

it's not your heart,

it's your biological drives,

for the survival of mankind,

you MUST trust women and impregnate them.

lol

we are just pawns in the game.

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Im going to give this some thought...

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Thanks,
Stan

"don't listen to this creeper reputation bullshit, girls like to get hit on / get attention, don't be afraid to do so, girls forgive advances, but they NEVER FORGIVE PUSSIES" - from pumpington

So these warm feelings towards women are sort of a dirty trick of nature?

So we should use our conscious mind to fight these feelings?

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Stan

"don't listen to this creeper reputation bullshit, girls like to get hit on / get attention, don't be afraid to do so, girls forgive advances, but they NEVER FORGIVE PUSSIES" - from pumpington

open relationships.

no ceding of your power to her.

no expectation or need for trust.

sounds like a win-win to me.

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in an open relationship

she is there with you because she WANTS to be,

not because there is an agreed upon contractual obligation that it is where she HAS to be.

just a thought

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This would solve alot of problems...

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Stan

"don't listen to this creeper reputation bullshit, girls like to get hit on / get attention, don't be afraid to do so, girls forgive advances, but they NEVER FORGIVE PUSSIES" - from pumpington

yes, it would.

i've never met a female (my mom, my sisters, my own grandmother, neighbors, coworkers, girlfriends, my ex-basically-wife, even my own daughter)...

who does not take people and things for granted.

they all do it.

i'm not sure why.

so, never put yourself in a position to be taken for granted.

if she "expects" you to always pursue her...don't

if she "expects" you to propose...don't

if she "expects" you to put up with her piss poor behavior...don't

if she "expects" you to make her the center of your world...don't

if she "expects" you to always be the one to initiate contact...don't

if she "expects" you to always be the one to initiate sex...don't

if she "expects" you to pay her bills, buy her a house, make babies, and take care of her until death...don't

every female i've had any kind of relationship with (i don't just mean romantic) has always taken me for granted almost as soon as i got comfortable and "happy" in the situation.

it's, quite frankly, horrible.

but it is what it is.

women are for making babies and cooking dinner as far as i can tell

all other "expectations" of them have always been an epic fail.

to date, the women in my life have:

- abandoned me
- watched me be abused
- stolen from me
- sold me out to save/benefit themselves
- sabotaged me professionally
- talked to me like a child
- fucked my friends
- got pregnant on purpose deceitfully (1 in 3 admit to doing this in their lives, the other 2 in 3 are lying)
- destroyed my finances
- trashed my home
- broke my family unit
- crashed my car
- burnt my food
- stained my carpet

honestly, the only two good things a female has ever done for me is:
- give me life
- give me pussy

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that fucking bitch !!!!

na but i do think you're onto something. personally i love women and i love the feeling of being in a relationship but what you said about them fucking you over the second you're " comfortable " thats sadly something i think every one can relate to.

hell im 6 days out of a relationship ( nothing to serious only 4 months but i care none the less ) and on the day that i ended it i actually said to myself " im comfortable now " .

weird shit right.

that being said , as bad as i felt and how much i miss her now i wouldnt have done anything differently.

it was an experience, ive got a story to tell because of it and thats whats important i think.

then again it ended cause i couldn't trust her so there is that i guess lol

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yes it's all a trap...

i got smashed with reality when i found out we are merely pawns..
i read these signals.. most of times im unable but i have seen mom of ex-girlfriends doing it , i have seen family doing it... it blown my mind that we are just souls that are imprisoned in these biological machines. . every action you do is just for 2 reasons .. to survive and replicate.. woman are social creatures and therefore put replication and social status on number 1...

it's just how evolution turned out .. you are not this smart ass being .. you are just a animal with instincts like dogs or cats... hell, dogs are actually more loyal than humans... it's so complex complex but also so simple .. if you look to evoltutionary psychology you can thow most psychology systems out of the window. You are just attracted to other human being sexuality .. did you ever realize you have no choice at all .. your brain just hijacks your body and designate value on another human being ?

all warm feelings to woman .. all feelings of affection are just very likely to be your instincts covering up your real motives. Everything you do regarding woman is just to fuck them.. or at least to win them over in some way or another... the concious mind and instincts are constantly at war. IF this isn't true nobody would be on this forum in the first place because your first motivation was to fuck chicks ..

what is the brain designed for ? all animals or biological entities share 2 common things .. the will to survive and replicate .. what is the brain ? is the brain there to help us surivive or is it just a product of evolution ? a sophisticated computer which reads all social cues in order to replicate ? is it just a sexual ornament ?

why do we need brains .. even the most dumb animals manage to survive and replicate... how many times does your brain work against you ? how many times are you influenced by fear , fear of not being able to surivive ? and above all .. why do guys who get into pickup get woman ? why do they break through AA ? because instinct of reproduction is just as strong if not more.

and when it comes to genetics .. why are woman so different in psychology and physical aspect ? there in only one gene or chromosome... how can such a small thing have this huge effect .. it must be evolution and it must have a reason... why are woman so able to read subcommunication ? why are they such social and why do all woman tend to need men ? why are they so emotional and out of control ? What invisible footprints did evoltion left behind that we couldn't see ?

it's the same as saying we have been the only one that visited the moon .. we do not know...

everytime i done something i just found out it was instinctual and that all reason were made up by my brain .. your soul doesn't create thoughts only your brain and nerval systen does such thing... Why do i get thoughts when i help people or woman ? why can't human beings be in the moment like other animals like dogs or lions .. why do we have constant streams of thought ? and why do humans have severe sexual behaviour unlike other animals - why do we get a pay off from our nerval system..

is the selfish gene at work here ? we all orginate from bacteria or lesser smaller life forms that do not have a concious intelligence like humans.... bacteria for example have only 2 purposes.. to surivive and to replicate .. do we share the same code in our DNA .. what remnescants do we have ?

all people must be very unconcious or unaware .. why is the ego hidden and why are most people unaware of such psychological filters ? why do humans have a ego unlike dogs or animals who are designed to live in the moment.... animals are more loyal than humas being in general .. like it's instinctive or like their brain doesn't order them any different - it's like they aren't getting thoughts at all from the ego.

humans do have a ego and are most of the times unaware .. if the brain is a sexual ornament it must have some reason.. humans weird social structure amazes me and it make no sense...why can't we be satified without sex and why can't we live in different significance .. is some genetic trigger in place to make us travel to find other human being ? humans being are everywhere so are cultures...do we really have a nomadic orgigin ?

if you pay alot of attention you will notice that most of the times you are out of control .. why are these structures like social anxiety in place ? fear is not a choice and it's again a stucture embed in the ego...from all animals humans have the most emotions.. it just how it amazes me how emotional are and how different they really are in their psychology, attraction is intinctive and alot of emotional are taking place at that moment - it's a cocktail of chemical and the white line of emotions that control us.

i do not know why people on this forum do not see such things or ask similar questions .. don't they see woman doing all these irrational emotional and illogical things that woman don't really want to do in the first place .. and why are woman unable to explain their actions with logic. if you emit certain signals the woman will be attracted in a instinctive way in the game of social dynamics .. why is it that every woman is attracted to the same signals ? im not talking about what woma say im talking about what they do. is it genetic.. is the brain just a complex system which produces and reads these signals...

it does not make sense

woman are really predictable .. just look at their psychology and forget all the shit you see on oprah.

what is the difference between a ape and a human .. our DNA our almost similar just like mice...

if a few genes are different then why is there such a difference ? are woman really human or are they just another subspecies ? genes differ.. why not classify males and females in different catagories - both their DNA and psychology is very different.

i 've looked studied observed and experienced alot of psychology.. i tried to figure everything out.. turning it inside out .. frued , adler, jung, philosophy etc and applied it to attraction just to see why humans are doing what they do. I started this whole journey from PUA - to a treasure of knowledge and ancient scientists - just to find out that it's all instinctual... most psychology can just be thrown out of the window if you observe evolution and instinct.

i think frued was very correct focussing on sexuality because humans are sexual beings and sex takes a large role in our existance and society. most of frued theories are disregarded nowadays... because people don't like reductionism ( neither do it ), we try to humanize things too much that we spin out of balance - we are just forgetting we are biological organisms.

if genes are responsible for your psychology if genes and evolution are responsible for your instincts... then we are not battling our own species or other groups of humans for some reason... we are just fighting against our own genes. It's a reductionist view but it seems that all psychological issues are mostly a root cause in todays society ... our psychology is just somewhere in 100.00 BC ... while our technology isn't. why are we assuming we are so much ? why not have these reductionistic views ? all unbalance in todays society is just another symptom that our psychology is just backwards...

if the ego doesn't exist but is a artifact created by genes - if this is the case then we are just biological robots that are only driven by self - interest... survival and replication and i think that is true because we have so many technology nowadays .. we could easily end all wars... but we don't because there is too much self-interest around it.

we humans are in a symbolic no better or worse then bacteria... different subspecies grouping up to fuck the other ones over by replication...we even live in harmony with bacteria that live in our own bodies - humans are just forged in chaos and black silver.

IF you are not fullfilling your instinctual needs and behaviours you well develop stress and if you are stressed long enough diseases will develop. alot of people who do not have social contact die on a early age , have twice as much chance on strokes or psychological disease.

why is this possible ? how can it be that someone who doesn't fullfill his organic instinctual purpose develops psychological disorders and physical diseas over a long time ? are our genes in play here? why do genetic diseases exist ? are they just a mutation caused by radiation ? then why are there so many of them and why do they vary .. we humans have alot of DNA that is uncharted... we do not know it's function ? could it be that we create are own diseases ? could it be that some of our genes get activated only to erect psychological and other physical diseases ?

why assume that it isn't true ? why value woman like they are concious positive beings ? because i've observed the opposite... do i hate them ? no because we are all controlled by our instincts and genes... why must i respect those biological drives ? why do i even need to respect female behaviour which is illogical and out of control ?

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just look at history .. how many woman invented shit .. how many woman really did bring society to the next level ... there aren't many woman at all. almost all scientist are male and almost all discoveries are made by males...
it's just proven fact that woman are more emotional than man ... NO shit... then why let woman control stuff..

once a woman controls something it spins out of control .. EVERY relationship where woman got control FAILED .. i have received hundreds private messages from people i've read hundreds of threads and i've talked to hundreds of people .. they of all one thing in common

once the woman got control over the relationship it failed .. i have never seen a opposite example...

sometimes i speak or get messages from men who have their life , psychology and marriage together.. they have kids .. and suddenly their wives dump them for some chode or homeless drug addict... and they ask me for explanation .. lol what must i say.. if you get one message ok .. but if you get more than 30 of those messages you are starting to think.... why do they cheat on their husband who is having a very good inner game and an exciting life with lots of travel and great experiences ?

people on this forum think im talking crap .. OK you go and fucking research / study psychology .. you go to fucking medical school and you go talk to hundreds if not thousands of people about female psychology and human behaviour in general ... most of you guys only read some PUA shit .. hit the bar twice every week and think you know everything about woman ..

you fucking don't ... seriously ... stop telling me what woman are like because after a dozen of relationships... hundred(s) of dates and a uncountable amount of hours studying and observing woman in and out of pickup i fucking know what woman are like - im not telling i can explain it all way... but alot of it does not make sense.

i've asked MANY woman if they think about cheating or if they are concious about it AND THEY ALL GIVED mixed answers .. day 1 they say A and day 2 they say B... if they say on both days A ... watch them around with theirboyfriends .. because they will send of signals to other guys... eye contact and all sorts of signals..

my best friend is a cab driver and after sarging i always get in his car and drive along in the front seat .. meanwhile he still picks up people to drive them home .. and you do not know what most woman are saying when they are sitting in a cab with a bunch of woman.... they all talk about dick .. cheating.. and other guys than their boyfriends.. im not talking about 1 woman .. im talking about dozens if not hundreds...They also complain about guys not kissing or not getting sexual lol.. most of these woman have boyfriends....

unlike some people like mack i have grown up in a very stable, developed , cultural , religious, somewhat wealthy enviroment...i've seen woman fuck up everything here as well... backstabbing me...their friends and whoever they were close to and i could never explain why.... if you think i should respect woman .. give me one fucking reason why and i will do it. explain all this evidence for me...

there is nothing wroing with optimism .. but you can also have blind optimism..
i have seen my ex-GF mom trying to backstab her daughter by hiitting on me .. how crazy is that - oh by the way she runs a hospital .. she's not a regular insane person, my aunt tried to hit on me , my mom backstabbed me multiple times....all woman in my life have fucked things up...more woman than men.

it aren't only my experiences but also experiences of other people and among them are teachers , lawyers, psychologists, managers... from the mcdonalds employee to the bank manager... they all have a relationship with eachother .. All woman behave the same , are the same even tho they come from different lifestyles ,cultures and nationalities.

so nowadays im skeptic about woman ... i treat them like trash and they seem to love it , they are more attracted then ever before..how much logic is that ? ok im not fucknig stupid and you need to recognize that.. give me counter examples - explain it and show me.. teach me stuff im totally open to it..

PUA gurus don't fucking say shit .. most of them are all aware of the psychology and dark side of woman.. they only are interested in commercail crap so they make everything social and political correct - another thing they don't teach you unlike pickup lines...they don't teach you how to act when woman fucks 3 different guys behind your back. why trust someone who has commercial interest in you anyway ? Why trust anyone who has interest in you ?

this unreal perspective or idea of respecting woman is disgusting .. i have no idea how some of you guys came to this conclusion or belief ? maybe it's your mom who tried to feminize you, to me this sounds very likely ? i don't know why guys assume a belief wihout having evidence or proof to do so

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Lode, is there a reason that your posts related to this topic always seem so misogynistic? You write as though men don't do irrational and inconsiderate things.

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@Lodewijkp

Why you even post on this forum is beyond me. Your beliefs are retarded and your attitude dangerously contagious. Everyone on this forum would be better off if you just left. If you're going to live in a depressing pit of maniacal misogyny, at least have the decency to leave others out of it. I don't know how the women in your life treated you, but there are women out there who aren't "sneaky, backstabbing whores". My mom is awesome in every single way. Maybe she fucked other guys before she met my dad. Maybe she thought about other guys even in marriage. But she never cheated on him after they met, nor he on her. The girls I'm seeing aren't perfect, but they do have morals. Some girls do fuck guys on the side. Some will do anything for dick. But most have logical standards that restrain them from carrying out their primitive instincts. That's what separates humans from animals. Humans have consciousness and morals.

Your hate, yes hate (there are no other ways to describe your feelings toward women other than hate), for women is disgusting and you are fucked up in the head.

Women aren't perfect. No shit. Guess what? Neither are guys. Have you never flirted with another girl while seeing someone whom you were in a committed relationship with? Have you never even thought about fucking some other girl while you're with your girlfriend? And in case you're too blunt to realize: those are rhetorical questions. Of course you have. All of us have. We're human. Just because you're susceptible to temptation does not mean you sin. Only when you fall for temptation do you sin. Get that through your head for once.

Khrem, thank you for helping me fight this hate-filled propoganda that Lode is spewing everywhere.

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