First date (Oct 22) was more or less not really a date per say. I just invited her out to do something I was doing, but we had a great time and by the end of it she asked to go out again.

Second date. (Oct 24) Took her for sushi and to play pool. I touched her some on the arm, back, and whatever...she wasn't too receptive. Found out she was engaged 5 years ago, it didn't work out, and she hasn't dated since. At the end of the date I told her I was having fun getting to know her and gave her a peck of a kiss. She told me she felt anxious and that I needed to give her time. I told her I wasn't a fast mover, she said good. Hug and goodnight.

Third date. (Oct 27) Took her for lunch on a Sunday. Went for a walk after. I didn't kino enough at all...kind of fucked up. Drove her home and she quickly got out of the vehicle barely giving me a hug.

She texts me most days to say hi and usually writes long texts...initiates some days, others days I do. We chat on the phone once or twice a week.

Fourth date (This coming Saturday Night) - - Picking her up, taking her to dinner, then to an orchestra concert.

I need to act on this fourth date...do something. My plan is to hold her hand as soon as I pick her up at her door. Kino a bit throughout the night but not too heavy. I'm not good at it, and so far I haven't gotten much in return from her...but I'll try some. At the end of the night when I drop her off I'll try to kiss close.

This girl I'm thinking of for a LTR.

Any advice?

Of course your thinking of an LTR. But you should actually calm down and relax. Your doing too much either overthinking it or simply liking her too much and turning her off. You need to relax into the game play hard to get or be the boss and be more authorative. Doing this will make her feel safe and more trusting around you. Since you do like her a lot a big thing will be that comfort building. I would just try to have better body language and not hit on her so much it seems your being a little direct.

When the time is right kino. But make sure you dont get scared or this will show in your touch as it will be creepy nervous touch instead of smooth relaxing good touch that she loves. Try not to look where you touch, progress slowly you never want to be seen as touching too much and get her to touch you.

Hope this helped.

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Only on the 4 date you are hoping to kiss her. geez

That's not very supportive is it!

I've always thought that if I wanted a girl for a LTR i'd want her to be quite slow-paced, and although you haven't kissed her for three dates, I think it's better than f-closing her on the first, in this scenario. Just enjoy things, take it as it comes, and don't seem too needy with it.. the trust will come naturally.

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this sounds like a situation for the infamous "balls to the walls" method. Invite her for another date.

middle of the date just say "stop, look we have to kiss now. Its been four dates and I'm not a panzy so give me back my manhood"

or something similar or just stop in the middle of the date grab her two arms say "stop" shrug your shoulders and run your hand through her hair and pop it in."

Its balls to the walls my friend. If you havent kissed by the fourth date, no matter how small those dates it means she is not interested or not a good girl.

two parts in a ltr: you have to make her feel like an appreciated woman, she has to make you feel like a man. You've done your part...

Basically yes to snake doctor and darryll. There is such a thing as taking it to slow and thats what "friends" do not boyfriends and girlfriends. The suggestion is a kiss at the end of the first date or anytime second date imo. You shouldn't even need a fourth date; and that "not being receptive" is crap, trust me I've kino'd a girl that'd never hug a guy in the entire school into givin me her number and now she laughs and has a good time everytime i touch her (ppl ask me how? they failed because they believed her).

The thing with kino is its a ladder of escalation,sometimes you can skip rungs of the ladder, and sometimes you need to hang on some longer. The point of the ladder is to try to get as high as possible as fast as possible - and once your there you're already past all the other rungs, slower you go, less rungs underneath you and the longer it takes to reach the top

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Is not her, your kind of creeping her out with kino.

You have to get to the point were kino is no big deal to you. It takes time.

Way I kino right now, especially girls I have just met is with lots of push/pull and slowly build up on that. Thing is I don't realize I am doing it. Funny thing is, when there around my guy friends, I am touching them too so they thinking I am a guy that touches everyone. What this does is avoids me from being creepy and with women, it builts a lot of sexual comfort.

Thanks for all the replies guys.

I like what aidenfuckingbaker said because it's concrete and I understand it. Don't touch too much, don't look where you're touching when you do it, and get her to touch me. I don't really know how to get her to touch me though. Also, I'm not sure how to improve my body language, because I don't know how my current body language is being interpreted. The other thing is I don't really know how to be less needy...I didn't think I was being needy.

Aside from that the rest of the advice here is kind of hard to pick up on for someone who just doesn't know. It's like saying to a colour blind person "Geez, I see green in the trees, all trees are green, the grass is green too...you should just see it naturally." lol. or something to that effect. I am blind to this kino exercise. I may have already fucked up.

I agree with charblad though. If she isn't receptive to my advances on Saturday I'd say she isn't interested. I just don't get how to relax into the game, play hard to get, and at the same time build the kino and touch her all in the same night to get to the point where she is ready for a kiss. I almost have to take the direct approach because I don't know how to do all that in one night.

Ok let me clarify, Im sorry for such a bad remark lol .
First of all, calm down and don’t overthink things don’t have the all fucked attitude relax ,she accepted the 4 dates. Right?

Let me be clear, on first date she accepted she is eager to know you you are the mysterious new guy that she accepted the date, if she agrees it’s a good sign, you need at that point build attraction, a lot of guys lose it here, because they want comfort, ok is nice to establish, but at the end of night, you have to convey that you know what you are doing, so you should have make the move. She knows what a date, she knows she isnt going for playing card

Second date- She accepted a second date she is waiting for you trust me, to make the move.

Third date- She is thinking you don’t have the balls, and she starts losing attraction.

Fourth date- YOU HAVE TO GO FOR IT. Or you blow it.

Tip. Ever tried the cube routine, good way to start kino tells her to close her eyes and hold her right hand that you are going to discover a lot about her. If she accepts it’s really good, she trust you, she is showing the palm of her hand and also closing her eyes. When you finished and hopefully you have impressed her. Then you go for the killing move.

Relax m8 inhale 3 seconds and exhale for 4 seconds control before you meet her. You overthinking thinks is fucking with you, is the big disadvantage.

Be yourself and dont think Omfg I have to kino her escalate escalate, this is just going to confused your mind . I gave you a good tip make it happen.

Hard to get? Push\Pull dont asnwer right away her txts.

Dont be afraid to ask.

I haven't tried that game no. My plan is to buy her a rose and give it to her when I pick her up. There...my intentions are clear. Then as the night goes on I'll just pretend she is a girl I've been dating for months and put my hand on her back, touch her arm, look into her eyes. All that sort of thing. If it's going well I'll grab her hand as we're walking around and go in for a kiss at some point. If she denies me then oh well...on to the next girl.

Please go with my plan...

Kinda worked. But not on the girl in question. lol.

Met this Filipino girl about a month ago. I bailed on dates twice since then for various reasons. Finally last night I took her out to play pool. We had fun, I kino'd and she was very receptive. She hugged and touched and it was good. Brought her back to my place, sat on the couch, chatted...did that hand thing Snake told me about...so just as I'm going in for the kiss she bails and giggles a lot, and she says she doesn't even know me. So I keep giving her white wine, put some music on and cuddle her on the couch. She keeps saying she has to go. BUT!!!! She stays another hour and starts kissing me and tells me she's really into me. I couldn't really push much farther at that point but I think next time it will go farther. I guess I did something right for once!

Now if I can just repeat this with the girl I originally wrote this post about. If not, at least I have a back up plan with this Filipino girl.

Update:

So the saturday date went well. She was really not into kino at all. I couldn't figure out why. At the end of the night we sat down quietly and she openned up. She told me her dad was an alcoholic and abusive to her mother, and cheated on her mother. She told me she was engaged to some guy and he cheated on her. She told me she was traveling in Japan and something really bad happened where a guy forced himself on her but she didn't feel comfortable going into more details. She held my hand and told me she wanted to take things slow but that she hadn't been on this many dates with another guy for 5 years...and that if she didn't like me more than friends she wouldn't be sitting there with me and opening up. So I guess I have some thinking to do now because I don't think this is going to be an easy beginning to a relationship. But it could be a decent relationship in the end...I'll just have to play it by ear and go from there, try and have fun with her and build her trust and see if she'll be more physical in the future. I may have to read some books on how to deal with a woman that has issues like this so I don't do something to set myself back in the process. I know some girls deal with issues like this differently. She has obviously not allowed guys close to her...so I'm not sure how to proceed to a point where I start to get some.