Hi All,

I just had a few points I could use some help with, but firstly I'd just like to say that I have no fear talking to women its the science side im struggling with and actually working out their patterns so a justa couple of general questions and then a couple more fine tunned ones if I may

Ok firstly, down the road of IoIs. How do you tell if a HB is giving you a IoI or just being polite in a sense of vocal interaction?

PUA - Thats a nice top (for example)
HB - thank you, I like yours very colourful (example)
or
PUA - (Anything)
HB - How are you? (example)

-Inspiration for this question was purely that I was talking to a HB and wasn't sure if I was racking up the IoIs or just her being well mannerd?

OK number 2 - So maybe you meet a HB and you open a set, you isolate her, start some kino, you number close, hell you kiss close, hell your actually gonna FK Close - leaving a bar you think (as in my case) - Cant goto mine coz i still live with parents (or maybe ur place is just a tip i duno ) And she hints that you can't goto hers for the same reason... An alley isnt the way to do it, neither is a motel room as that means spending out for 2 or so hours... so what would an experienced PUA do? make a clever retreat and look for someone else, or ???

Number 3 - This is actually what I'm trying to overcome at the moment then - Met a chick online, met for drinks went cool had a good laugh and then were onto date 2, took her out to dinner and offerd to pay... (Dumb move - thats why they call me numpty) so anyhow I call her and say "do you see this as being more than friends or???"

She gives me this word for word... "You truely are a lovely guy, your the perfect guy and you have no idea how hard it is to find that. With our lifesytles being so hectic we'd only see each other like once a month but also I felt we didn't have that much in common"

Ok so I take this on board and think the following - We've seen each other 3 times in 8 days (cant be that busy) we spent 3 hrs on date 1 and 3hrs on date 2 laughing joking and talking about almost everything... I took her to an Ice hockey match on the 3rd date and we spent it messing about and I negged her a few times which got me a cheeky punch in the arm.
first and second dates ended with a hug and kiss on the cheek - 3rd was just a long hug becuase i recieved the above message end of the second date and was determind to fight back and proove myself. End of each date she did comment on how much fun she'd had.

I'm just a bit confused, this HB8 knows I like her and shes cancelled on a friend to see me one night, she gives what i think are crap excuses and I know shes single and not just feeling guilty. Theres a definate chemistry and I'm just a bit stuck...

I read the LJBF post and there was a nice point about not really saying anything to her for a few days and when asked "hows your week?" go "well i went out with this chick, she was cool, probably see her again etc etc" try and get her jealous and make a move... I really dunno any help please

Guys Sorry to waffle on - just really struggling... any help muchly appreciated as this HB8 is deffo GF material if I can break her down.

Cheers,

To answer question #1- yes I think a "how are you doing?" question is NOT an IOI. Sure reintiating conversation is one to look for but not exactly this way. I think she was being polite personally, but I wasn't there. I'd look for other IOI's touching hair, eye contact, light kino, etc. Remember you're looking for 3 solid IOIs.

#2- I'd use a hotel, someplace you can be alone. Keep the conversation going as you check-in. It involves money but you're worth it!

#3- Based on that girls comments you're already in the friend zone, but she knows you don't see it that way. Quote "do you see this as being more than friends or???" I'm guessing but maybe you didn't kino escalate at the proper time during comfort building and keeping the attraction there for her. You definately started off well, she met you and stuff. At some point you missed doing the right amount of kino or you didn't kino escalate at all.

"You truely are a lovely guy, your the perfect guy and you have no idea how hard it is to find that. With our lifesytles being so hectic we'd only see each other like once a month but also I felt we didn't have that much in common"

Why would she say that if she wanted more than friends? Just a honest question. You might be able to save it but at this point after a few dates it sounds like you missed your chance. I hate to deal in absolutes but I would move on brother.

On the other hand, keep her as a friend, she's bound to know other cute girls. Since you're a clever, interesting friend maybe she'll help you out sometime. If she's really cool and you can maybe even use her as a pivot. She's not totally dead to you, just get creative.

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That's cool cheers J -

I was thinking that whilst reading the LJBF post - I'll be honest I didnt Kino her at all, I made no attempt to hold hands with her even when it cost me £60 to take her for dinner and I think maybe that was the downfall. Things seemed to change on the 3rd date funnily enough when i started to Neg her. There was a lot more chemistry but then maybe thats coz i accepted the LJBF, i think i might suggest another Hockey game in a week or so and then try some kino, and really max out some game on her now i know she wont expect it, if she pulls away just neg or say something like "you dont hold hands with friends then?"

I duno... but thats an interesting point about keeping her onside for potential to meet other HBs. I'm steadily learning girls dont want a Mr Nice Guy they want a "take me to a motel and give me the stuff i never thought was possible" kind of guy... whilst thats not me I'll start thinking on character and see what changes

Cheers again, Much appreciated

To quote the movie Hitch "Any man can sweep a women off her feet he just needs the right broom!" Women just want that movie type swept off the feet romance. Why not they deserve it, and we're smart enough to know how to give it to them.

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