ok, after the meal, i asked to girl me $10 and i would go to the counter to pay for our meal, immediately she seemed offended, and said "you took me out, you should paid for this meal, it's the unwritten rule", i responded by "next time you paid for me". i didnt want to destroy the mood or look cheap, so i paid for her meal.
yes i know, i supplicated. took her to bed though, but didnt get laid or make out.

how would a mPUA make her pay for her own meal?

well im dutch,, let me explain:

its a dirty trick.. you just enjoy the meal have it all running smoothly and then at the end u grab ur wallet with a confident smile and u look into it, and then look at her like
i havent got enough money..
shell be like (omg what a loser)
but,, if you've played the dinner smoothly and seduced her a little she will be like ohw thats alrite ill pay.
heheh it works for me. but if you go out a second time you must pay for it. lol.

It depends on how far I would be with the girl.
Just met? Known her for a while? I never pay for people I just met. If I've known her for a while then theres already a pay for stuff rotation system as that is a natural development, it is in our genes and a natural thing. So you more or less take turns paying for stuff when you have known eachother longer.

If a girl I've just met asks you to pay for something just neg her with it. ''Hey, I've just met you and already showing that your golddigger? '' or ''Don't you have any money yourself? That's ok I'll just pay for you then'' and keep joking with it at random points.

Or you can fast forward to a rotation system and say: ''Ok, I'll pay for teh food but you pay for the drinks!'' Or if it's cheaper food: ''Ok, I'll pay'' then go get the food, and before you give it to her, say: ''I want something in return'' and point to your cheek. But only do that if you've been doing well on the kino escalation.

listen... why do you feel like you have to make her pay for herself???!!!

its bullshit theories by people who have read to much and acted too little... dont get caught into that trap!!!

if you pay for her, you are not supplicating!! you are not DLV at all, its bullshit, and pisses me off!!

i used to go out with girls, and not pay. and they thought less of me for this. an di got less tail for this than what i did when i did pay!!! to them i was DLV, but if i paid, they saw me as greater potential within the community! it was odd, but im drunk an dmay change this in the morn...

but i know im right...

Why did you have a meal in the first place ,isn't that a bit AFC like. Why didn't you just go for coffee , because it doesn't even matter who pays then because coffee is so cheap.

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You asked a poor girl out for a meal..

You pay, simple as that.

It's $10 for Christs sakes..

Don't confuse paying for a casual meal, etc.., with trying to buy her affection with expensive meals or gifts, etc... There's a difference.

Women don't want to be bored.. And if you're idea of fun is spending large amounts of money on somebody you barely know then hoping she takes the lead in the relationship or the date, or starts stripping her clothes off as a form of repayment, then you're boring or being foolish and she will know it.

But then if you're too cheap to keep her from having to wash dishes to pay for her meal, you DLV as well.. Remember survival and replication.. Women are 80% survival, 20% replication, whereas you are the opposite. Taking care of her basic needs while on a date is simply a good survival strategy. You take care of her survival, she'll take care of your replication.

Hey I tell you what, next time you ask a chick out on a date, after you pick her up, tell you she owes you gas money or she'll have to get out and walk.. Then see what she does..
Learn mind control or something?

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Well, for MY perspective, from MY experience . . . (apparently from someone that reads to much and acts too little, lol), I don't ASK a girl out, and I don't pay for her stuff. I don't ask her to dinner. I do have her to watch a movie with me . . . AT MY PLACE. I don't take a girl out on a "date". I call her, say I'm going here at this time. Come join me. We'll have fun. Then, either she does or she doesn't. Usually, I'd do that and tell the girl to meet me at whatever club I'm going to, when she was planning to go to a different one. So, she meets me there, she pays her cover, and she pays for whatever drinks shes getting because I'm not drinking. And, most of the time, I purposely don't carry much cash with me either. In fact, my ex-g/f would hang out with me at the clubs and she literally paid for her own stuff, which usually came to somewhere between 30-60 bucks a night each night we went out. I told her not too, but it was her choice. I didn't offer to pay, I just told her to quit drinking so much, lol. But, for some people part of the fun is getting drunk, so, so be it.

If I eat with a girl, then I do it one of several ways.

1. I have asked her out to dinner, because we're close and after not seeing her for a year or so, I see no problem with me taking her out for dinner (nothing super expensive, maybe $30-40 between the two of us with drinks), but then I think I'd look cheap if I didn't pay and I had asked her to this awesome restaurant I told her about and I make 40k and she's in university. It impresses girls that you can just wave your hand and make a bill dissappear without a second glance, it shows that you can take care of yourself and others. Not to say you do this all the time, or for a $40 plate.

2. We're hanging out and we get hungry, we decide on a place, then we pay for our own food, because it was a mutual thing, I didn't tell her not to eat because we're going to dinner and then expect her to pay, when she could eat at home for free.

3. Same as either of the above, but I'll pay and then we agree for her to buy drinks or some other thing of similar value later. Its also acceptable I think if she's driving and you drive around a lot, cause gas ain't cheap.

What Tripp said about the girl buying her drinks at a club is a must. I WON'T buy a girl a drink at a club, unless I'm buying a round for everyone, but usually reciprocation is talked about, or its for somone's bday. If she's asking you to buy drinks, then there's tons of stuff about that if you search. I think of going out for dinner like in #2 the same as her buying her own drinks. She is thirsty, or wants to get drunk, so she buys her own booze. She's hungry, she gets to buy her own food, unless it was preplanned as an activity by you.

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Very simple...

HB: "I think you should pay." (in whatever form)

YOU: "I do not buy my relationships, i look at women as equals, and would rather you look at me as a companion as oppossed to a free meal."

If she responds with anything more after this (about you paying) she is reaching out trying to get you to be like every other guy who bought her meals.

YOU: "Other guys may try to buy your acceptance and company, i however will not. I respect you more then that."


Do not let her feel like this stupid socially accepted preasure is appropriate. I have plenty of female freinds who make much more money then i do, in this day and age that old mentality shouldnt fly. I could understand 50-100 years ago when women didnt work.

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If she's trying to whore meals off you, then for sure, but if you ask a girl to go to dinner and do something, then you don't do that, its just DLVing yourself, you invited her out. If I invite my parents out for dinner, then I will pay at least my part and if its not super expensive, then theirs too. But if they invite me out, then they generally pay, unless its just at a pub or something, then I pay my own. I don't think these are rules we need to put directly for girls, I say its just a social faux pas.

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What if you just agree to pay for each other's meals. Sounds reasonable to me.

Then roll with it. I think we're getting down to semantics now.

if we offer to pay for her meal, wouldnt we fall into the "nice guys" catagory?
girls have nothing but scorn for nice guys

Ahh man, you can't be serious.

Heavens no bro.. You're carrying this too far.

You ask her out to dinner, you pay for the meal unless you agree otherwise beforehand. That's what's expected..

Next time take her to taco bell, or out for coffee, etc... Something that doesn't cost much. But don't be a complete cheapskate that bitches about doing his duty, or expect her to do so too when it comes her time do hers.

It's AFC and low status.

There are exceptions. If she's given you a good BJ , night of sex or something, take her to a better restaurant if you want to get something to eat and you want to see her again. Other than that make it fairly cheap...

The whole idea being you don't want to do more for her, than she does for you. It looks foolish, it's DLV and you'll look desperate.

So you've paid for dinner once, take her on a cheap date, walk in the park, etc.. next time and see if she responds to your advances, escalation, etc.. If she doesn't go for it, forget about her. She'll either be back or she isn't worth your time.

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No, they like nice guys, they just don't like "nice guys". The difference is, you can be a nice guy and still trigger all their switches, but "nice guys" that are AFCs and don't trigger any of their switches they don't get attracted to. The want a guy that is nice, but also has the good qualities of the asshole guy that is totally alpha.

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