How? It's the conversational style. Wide rapport techniques and emotional roller coaster rides. I've already made several posts on these. It's also about propinquity because I can literally see them and them see me every day.

Where? These two are working students. I picked them up at work. They're hired guns. They go to college.

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Age is important but not as much as you may think. Sure some girls will think after a certain age they are not interested but that's only some and I wouldn't put all females in that same basket. Often they don't even ask your age - i've picked up a females that haven't asked my age.

This thread reminds me of a story - a story I would like to share with you. It was a Friday at work this man who was in his 30's said to me "What are you doing tonight"

I explained that I was going out but felt like I was getting too old to go out as allot of the people there were younger than me - he asked my age and I said 24 - to which he responded - "DO YOU REALISE YOUR ONLY 24" - I responded with "yeah but....etc etc"

That was 14 years ago and when I look back now I would love to go back 14 years and make the most of it. Don't ever think that you are too old and let it affect you psychologically when you are only in your mid 20's because one day you will look back like myself and others and wish you could have those years back again. Make the most of your youth whilst you have it as you can do many things in this world but you cannot get back your youth. Don't make the mistake of thinking that mid 20's is too old - when you get older you will realise its a great age and you don't want to look back thinking what could of should of been. As Robin Williams said (may he RIP) in dead poets society "Seize the day".

Now some 14 years have passed since that day that I was asked what you doing tonight and its not all doom and gloom. Theirs phases I go through that I do better with females NOW then i used to in my early 20's - females younger than me. Females that at times will just come up to me and kiss me without me saying anything to them for example, or great looking females who may be in their mid 20's just grabbing me and started to dance with me (pity i'm not a great dancer but thats a story for another day). All I can bring it down to is learning more positive body language techniques and acting more confident and happy in myself (the looks part wouldn't of improved in 15 years so through the process of elimination theirs the answer). Therefore if you are going through a slump in your mid 20's all I can suggest is improve your body language (most communication is non verbal) and improve your techniques as most of the time it won't have to do with your age.

In a nut shell do I think that age matters - YES - but its only a minor factor when compared to other factors such as conversation skills, body language skills, eye contact all of which fall under the category of great communication skills.

27? Old? Are you kidding?

You sound like you dont have an age issue, you have a self-esteem/self confidence issue. Work on that and the age thing will vanish. Too many guys use PUA as a mask for underlying stuff, when you fix what is really sabotaging you then age is irrelevant.

I think my peak in terms of numbers alone was 32-33. I think a guy's attractiveness peak comes 37-45, number of lays arent everything if half those women are mooses. I've spoken to a lot of women who have said 35+ is really attractive and I think that is especially true for 9's and 10's. For myself and others I know of a similar age the pattern tends to go that the number of women drops but quality increases. Personally, I wish I'd discovered that when younger. Who cares about shagging 100 7's? I'd rather shag a 10 a hundred times.

I find girls under 23 generally incredibly boring. They've no life experience, no sense of identity, usually too reliant on groups for everything and cant really stand on their own. There are exceptions but on average I have always found them dull. Worst is they have no money, you either get that they cant afford to do stuff or you end up paying. Even when I was 27 student age girls I found to be a real pain in the arse. If nthing else then develop a mindset that you are lowering your standards to even talk to them.
Mystery is older, he's 42, same age as me. Style, David Deangelo, that whole generation are in their 40's. Ross Jeffries must be in his 60's.

Ask women who they'd shag and people like Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Dave Grohl, Keanu Reeves and Josh Homme are usually top of the list. Brad Pitt is something like 51.

The only women who ever ask my age are women around the same age as me. Younger women very rarely do.

Dating same age is a fairly modern development. In the past women traditionally dated older men. I'd bet most guys on here, their fathers will be older than their mothers on average.

There was a traditional "rule" that said a woman's ideal age is half the man's plus five years. So for 27 then 18-19 is about right.

I'm 29, I got three 18 year old's numbers last night.

One of them has already texted back.

You are not too old.

Old at 27??? Sweet Lord, I am STILL doing PUA at 55 man! My 'audience' is massive. 20 something to 50 something. Na! NEVER TOO OLD....Not in England anyway.

This is proposterous man. Your in your prime and making excuses. Doesnt matter where you go it can seem clicky if you suck. Your confidence sucks if girls dont talk to you work on your game. I was 32 bangin 19 to 22 year olds. Dated a 22 year old as well. Your thread is idiotic. Yes im pissed off at you. Im about to turn 37 and must settle for 27 year olds while you cry because your 27. Unbelievable.

Mystery seems like the real deal - he has video footage and you can tell by the way he takls in his videos he knows how to walk the walk. David D on the other hand comes accross as a fraud who has just re-cycled other peoples material. You do not see any footage of him in action and i wouldn't believe everything he says. Some of his concepts are weird and wrong "i.e. get a girls phone and call your number so that way you have her number".

He was more a great marketer than a pua in my humble opinion.

You are in your 20's and think you are too old to hit on girls in their 20's? That's really weird man. Yea you've got some serious self-esteem isues you need to work out. The frat scene you might be too mature for but next time you call yourself "old" please do us all a favor and smack yourself across the face.

Good luck to you my man

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Absolutely agree. I think he's a very clever guy with a few good ideas but generally I think you're dead right.

I'll be honest, Mystery is still my hero I don't have much time for Mystery Method, when you watch him he's just using confidence, personality, masculinity and general ballsiness. He also seems to be a total and utter crackpot in the mould of Hunter Thompson which, in my book, makes him OK. He was the genuine article.

Whenever I think I'm too old I just think, yeah but I'm still only as old as Mystery.

im 39 and im kind of discouraged, sarging its difficult to me too, maybe im too old for this.

Dude, are you a moron??!!

Have you even read this thread?

I started it back in 2009, when I was 27 and laid off, and in shitty Richmond.

I'm now 32, and in DC with a great job.

Yes I get numbers, and from younger girls, and I've had great success.

All of those who said "Women won't really ask your age unless you're close to theirs sometimes" were right.

I routinely date and close 25 year olds. I haven't targeted hard the 19-22 crowd, but then again I've always gotten great reception on my walk-ups, funny that I've started to see that more recently than anything, as recent as a couple nights ago, - something worth looking into.

A girl's looks and sexuality haven't fallen off a cliff from 22 to 25, so I don't sweat it. I think the 24-28 range is going to be my sweet spot well through my 30's.

I was at a social function for my apartment building and met this 47 year old soon to be retired Air Force Colonel; We went over to this wine bar afterwards b/c he wanted to pick up a bottle to take with him when he went to a friend's house for dinner later that night, and maybe have a glass or two while there.

There are two people in the entire place (small bar); both pretty attractive women. The one I was talking to was pretty, blonde, reasonable figure, and clearly early-mid 30's. She was a psychologist.

The attention was all clearly on this guy. Although "retiree" might have some social stigma meaning old, it, the spotlight and attention was all going straight to this guy. As far as these girls were concerned, this 47 year old guy was a *high value* guy!

This was the kind of guy who these girls would go home with.

I suppose if you keep your shit together, there's no reason you can't be in your late 40's and banging cute early 30's girls (who know how to fuck!)

Don't know what to say about aiming for the 19 year olds at that point though.

But if you happen to naturally look younger, as I do (I consistently have people say I look 28, while I consistently over-estimate girl's ages when I'm asked, by quite a few years actually), then all the better. You can probably reach down into the 20's range at 47 if you play it right and take care of yourself.

Next time read the whole thread before posting something so moronic and accusatory.

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You can do it for a long time. I've seen guys in their late 40s do very well too. However, I've yet to meet a guy over 55 who's still managing women 20+ years younger. For whatever reason, around the time you round 50, the women start catching up to you in age.

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