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I understand, all I'm saying is don't trip, if can get away with out paying, that's good, good luck.

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TheMoneyMan1

-RISK- "Only those who will risk going far can find out how far one can go"

I'm starting to wonder if you're missing the point of this forum MoneyMan, but I could be wrong, and you could completely understand it.

If you have money, then you shouldn't have MUCH of a problem with getting girls, but they may not stick around for long.

What we're trying to do is teach guys how to have girls W/O having money or fame or whatever and actually have the girls stick around, IF WE want them too, because we have the SKILL to keep them.

But, if you have money and get the chicks that way, that's cool too, and that's your way. We're not holding that against anybody.

The more tools you bring to the job site, the more work you get done..

Some guys aren't tall, some guys aren't handsome, some guys don't have money..

And somehow most manage to get laid anyway, if they compensate with improving the rest of their game, image, etc...

I suppose the moral of this story is if you're lacking in a certain area, don't let that cause you to psych yourself out.

But then hey, if you ask a chick out and then make a big stink about not paying (because if you ask a chick out, unless you've made other arrangements with her, you're expected to take care of her), don't expect to endear yourself to her either. In fact she'll probably hate your guts. Especially if she's got to do dishes.

I understand both points.

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I completly understand, it's just if you pay for a meal or dinner on the first date is really no big deal, that's all. She not gona see you in a bad way like most of the guys think, it's the opposite.

You don't have to be rich to pay for coffee, lunch or dinner, but don't expect her to pay her half unless you tell her before you pick her up or she picks you up for the date, and if you do that then what's the point of asking her out.

I bet if you continue to go out with her on other dates she will pay for dinner, it's just dumb to ask her to pay for her half on the first date, she doesn't even know you yet. Now I been out with woman that insisted on paying and I let them, that's because they are older (I usually date women from 24 to 34 yrs old and they are more independent) now once you seen each other for awhile then it's different then you can split the bill or whatever, good luck.

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TheMoneyMan1

-RISK- "Only those who will risk going far can find out how far one can go"

I do see both points too. And, I'm also starting to see the difference with the mindset here.

MoneyMan, I think the disagreemenst are coming from the following: Most of the guys on here are learning from MM, David D., and material like that, which tells you not to buy a first date dinner, because you don't even ask for a first date in that fashion. The whole set up is actually very different from what you're talking about.

Now, again, yes your way can work too, but for most of the guys on here it usually doesn't work just to walk up to a girl, ask her out, and pay for the Olive Garden dinner.

So, basically, the point of our misunderstandings or disagreements is simply a difference in our methods. Your free to expouse your ways also, so that guys can learn from them too.

cool man, their a lot of ways to go about it, keep on pimpin player...

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TheMoneyMan1

-RISK- "Only those who will risk going far can find out how far one can go"

Are you kidding me and everyone else that is reading this. Method? The tried and true method of AFC?
Most guys think? Like every piece of material I have ever read on any PUA that has ever been produced?

You do not know what you are doing and I do not know why people are coddling you.

You are chasing a girl and told her that you were attracted to her... Her response, 'I only want to be friends'. Suprised? I am not.

Stacking routines and kino, kino, kino is not helpful advice to anyone.




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Recommended reading list.

Double Your Dating by DD
(This will work on your inner game)

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/
(This will work on your outer game)

Any guys out there want to buy me dinner:)
I like chicken-wings and donuts!!

But seriously I don't get the dilema here
you invited her out to dinner you so you pay
don't at the end of the meal ask me to cough up cash
that's like inviting me a concert then at the end of the night you say Ok now you owe $50 not cool

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IT IS SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE THAT...Whoever planned it... pays for it!
THE END!!

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I agree... it's all in the wording when you ask her out... If she's joining you then she will most likely assume that she's paying for herself... If your taking her out that will lead her to believe your paying.

The whole not paying thing has alot of reasons... to strong of an IOI at that point, and more importantly a PUA is the exception to the rule! It makes you seem like every other guy... That being said! If you in a situation where she's obviously assumed that your going to be paying and you hadn't made things more clear ahead of time... then thats your mistake and you should go ahead and pay... At that point she's already assumed the IOI and was receptive to it... and it would be a HUGE DLV to take that back now.

The guidelines like not paying are just that... guidelines, nothings set in stone.

I buy dinner. You put out..

We're both happy.

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point taken. it's just that i read on fastseduction.com that guys should never pay for girls food on the first date. maybe i took it the wrong way.

the same hb is coming tonight and sleeping over, last time she slept over, she resist me ferociously. ever time i grabbed her boobs, she took my hand away, etc even pinched me in order to defend herself.

what should i do tonight?, proceed when she refuse? if i do proceed, that means im a rapist.

are you a woman? why the hell you're on this forum?

Because I invited her..

Anymore questions?

Now go drink a protein shake, and don't forget the air fresher.

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