If you have seduction skills, you can use bonds and rapport as tools to build attraction. Get my point?

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What gets attraction from girls is your personality, attitude, looks, way that you look, lifestyle and ability to seduce her.

I'm not saying that rapport can't be used to help you in the seduction. I break it down into trust, comfort and connection.

Connection is obviously where commonalities come into play. But it isn't something that is always needed, and just rapport alone will not get you the girl because with rapport alone she will only see you as a friend. Like I said, if commonalities were attractive, you would want to fuck all of your friends. There has to be some attraction there and then you can use rapport to help you in seducing her if you need too. But just as much you can fuck girls without creating rapport or having any commonalities whatsoever.

Don't get me wrong, one of my main advantages is that I easily connect with women because of how much time I've spent with them in my life. But I also understand that my looks, attitude and other factors are the main reason they want to fuck me. Not because we both like icecream.

Bonds and rapport don't build attraction. Bonds and rapport build Bonds and rapport.

This is one of those things that you're saying doesn't happen, but then my experience tells me it definitely does happen. I can give you a few stories of women that have outright said that they don't find men of my race attractive and because of creating a bond and being sexual allowed me to have sex with them. Then again, I've broken down what I've said to you and you are reverting back to your original premise of what you think I mean...so we can't get on the same page of it. It's just odd that you one of your main advantages is that you connect with women and you call commonalities a connection.

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Do you think it was the fact that you created a bond with them that made them attracted. Or do you think that it was the fact that you showed confidence and a sexual and flirtatious personality to them that made them attracted? Then the bond helped you further in these circumstances?

The bond can help in seduction I'm not denying that. But rapport does not create attraction.

perfectly explained

It's a combination of everything. Each piece of the puzzle forms the entire picture. However, if I only had a sexual frame, I wouldn't have been able to pull it off. It was the wedge that kept the door open so I could seduce them.

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Ladies ladies...let's get back to being civil.

Ok yeah, so you used rapport and it helped in the seduction. But surely you must realize that the fact that you created rapport wasn't what created the attraction. It would of been something else? Probably the sexual frame that you were giving and confidence you were displaying?

To be honest I think we're on a similar page here, especially with the way that you just described how you used rapport in the pick up, because to be honest it sounds very much similar to what I do on occasion when it's needed. But my whole point was that for a girl to fuck you she has to find you attractive in some way, and rapport is not going to create attraction.

Back to the original topic. If a guy is a '3' and the girl is an '8', even if they have all the commonalities in the world, do you honestly think that she's going to fuck him if he's ugly looking, unconfident, dresses like shit and lives with his mom? There isn't going to be any attraction coming from her side.

Attraction is always needed in seduction but rapport is not always necessary.

And if rapport builds attraction... then how do you explain the women that say 'I still love him but I just don't find him as attractive as he used to be' from wives that cheat on their husbands. Surely she would of found him more and more attractive as they went through a honeymoon, ate out together and watched all the shows they both loved infront of the television? But now she's fucking some douchebag on the side that has all the attractive qualities she's looking for because she can't get enough.

N2thevoid... your post was good.

I'm not sure if you understand that when women aren't attracted to your race that if you're only holding a sexual frame, it won't do dick for you. It's so much more to it.

I've never implied that it would always work. A 3 is going to have a hard time getting an 8, but not impossible. At this point you're getting into a subject of values and it's affect on attraction and beyond what most pick up teaches.

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] To fuck an 8 a 3 would need to raise his value. Either through improving his looks, personality, way that he looks, lifestyle or seduction skills.

This isn't some hitch shit where the hot promqueen falls in love with the loveable looser because she secretly likes comic books too. In reality, that guy gets friendzoned and she fucks the guy she finds more attractive.

I will say again, rapport can definitely help in seduction and I feel rapport with a lot of girls. But if Im not sexually attracted to them then no amount of rapport will change my mind.

Have you ever heard a girl say 'Hes really nice, but Im just not attracted to him'? That is rapport without attraction. The guy does't have enough attractive value for her.

its a common mistake in men to put masculine thinking into women. Women can be sexually attracted to a man one day and not attracted the next and visa versa. Men generally don't do that. So you will never be able to use your line of thinking to explain a woman's sexual desire for any man.

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I was watching this debate and literally this last point made me do a Chris Tucker face like "damn"...

This. Many guys on here tend to forget this. After you have banged girls though and you performed well beyond average, that attraction isn't going to change that much for a long period of time.

Women generally feel sexual attraction with their clitorises so their attraction levels for a particular man fluctuates from moment to moment. Men, on the other hand, get their sexual attraction firmly imprinted on their brains so even when they haven't fucked the woman yet, that attraction isn't going to change much over a long period of time. In essence, the best way to imprint your sexual attractiveness to a woman is to satiate the cravings of her clitoris and vagina so your sexual attractiveness will be indelibly imprinted in the memory cells of her brain.

As for commonalities, there's quite a sufficient body on knowledge on propinquity. Generally, the studies indicate that women marry guys they have a lot in common with such as place of work, hometown, careers, social circle, mental stability, financial status, etc. On the other hand, women have sex with men for short term relationships on the basis of physical attractiveness alone. In short, once a guy manages to isolate a woman and fuck her, the determining factor whether he will have a short term or long term relationship with her will be their commonalities.

Of course, a guy who is a 3 on the attractiveness scale can still fuck a hot woman who is an 8 on the attractiveness scale under the right conditions such as:

1. Girl 8 is alone in a room with Guy 3;

2. Guy 3 has a hard on that won't quit; and

3. Girl 8 and Guy 3 are watching a porn movie.

In essence, sexual attractiveness can be spiked up by a man's skill to isolate a woman.

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My line of thinking is really pretty simple mate. A woman has to either be attracted to a mans personality, attitude, looks, way that you look, lifestyle and ability to seduce her, or a mixture of these things. The more of these things a guy has takes him further up the scale from say a 3 to an 8. Where he can now get girls with ease.

If you're a guy who is a 3 on this scale. The ability to have commonalities with girls is useless because she won't be attracted to you. I'm not saying that once you are attractive enough as a man that you can't use rapport in your seduction if it is needed. But it isn't the ingredient for attraction.

I know full well how attraction works, and rapport is not something that creates attraction. It is something that creates trust, comfort and connection. Which like I said can be helpful in a seduction, but without attraction she will not find you appealing sexually.

It's not hard to understand. Attraction is attraction and rapport is rapport. You don't create attraction by creating rapport. If you think otherwise I'm interested in how you could explain how rapport alone can create attraction. But the reality is that it doesn't. So how can a 3 get an 8 without raising his sexual value then? please explain.