Should've left it at that and walked away.

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Young girl. 20. Slim. Gorgeous eyes. 6.5? Not bad.


bizarre night

I opened up these 2 gorgeous girls, but it was my first approach of the night and I was way in me head. It was some sort of opinion opener. I followed by asking their names and stuff (breaking rapport tonailty) but I wasn’t really able too hook and I kind of ejected soon after. One was 18 and totally my type!

Then when I came back from the bathroom I saw 2 girl sitting down. Can’t remember how I opened, but a few seconds later I was chatting to them both, sat down with them at their table and the vibe was very good. One of them asked who I was with and I joked about being scared to intodduce them to him as he’s too good looking (he’s like model good looking and has girls throwing themselves at him all the time). I ended up bringing him over. We all chatted. Then I lead them to the dancefloor and it actually seemed to be going OK and we were all having fun and a little kino in there, but they just bolted after a while. I was slightly surprised to be honest. I just felt kind of ‘on’.

Was still feeling stifled. Carried on just being generally socialble.

Then we went to this little club which is when I started to get lucky.

I actually tend to get non-stop rejected with dancefloor game, but something was different last night!

I was generally well received. This is when I noticed the girl I ended up pulling. She was blatantly trying to get in my space. I just grabbed her and was like ”Who are you?!” and pulled her towards me. Started kissing soon after.

Then we kind of separated and some giel basically stood on my shoe. I grabbed her and smiled and accused her of doing it on purpose. She smiled back and sort of closed the space, and I just pulled her towards me and kissed her.

The second I stopped kissing her, the original girl and her fried just looked at me horrified. The girls i’d kissed looked really sad and I felt like shit. The friend looked dissappointed and wagged her finger at me and pulled her friend away.

I called her towards me and few times and sehe refused, but eventually I managed to talk to her and was basically like ”Don’t get in a mood! She kissed me and I pulled away. No big deal. I want your babies” and then we started kissing again and it was back on.

She told me she was gonna buy me a drink and went to the bar

As they were gone, some girl started dancing near me and I just looked at her with a confused smirk and beckoned her towards me and we kissed.

As I look up, the main girl and her friend are there AGAIN looking at me!!

I die inside.

This time Iassume it’s fucked.

I must have been wearing the right aftershave last night, because whilst I was still trying to get the girl back ANOTHER girl opened me. Almost never happens. She just walked up to me and asked my name and stood by me, Huge IOI and I guess I could have pulled her.

Then the original girls FRIEND whispered something in this new girls ear. She seemed quite confrontational in fact. Not sure what she said.

I somehow managed the get the orignal girl back again. Probably apologised and said ”i’m an ass hole” then lead her outside and then took her back to have sex

I'm starting to see some legend in you jester, hahah. What's your count up at this year?

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lol, I wouldn't go that far.
To be honest, I'm a little annoyed at how shit my verbal game was. With the exception of the girls who I opened near the bathroom, I just couldn't hook, was very in my head, had nothing to say and bailed before i'd even been blown out. Was super weak.
I'm trying to remember the first open, and it was just so weak!
It was something like :
''Hey, guys. Don't lie. How old does my friend look'' (he'd been talking about his age)
''Errrr....Maybe 32?''
''Damn, girl! You're mean!''
''Why? how old is he?''
''Actually, you're bang on. 32. How old are you? Wait let me guess. 22? And your friend here is 18......''
''She's 12''
**turn to friend ''Wow. So what, you rocking the fake ID?
''What?''
''Is that how you go into the bar? A fake ID?''
''I'm not actually fucking 12!!!'' (seemed mildly offended, lol. Hard to tell. )

Now, at this point even though I wasn't getting any good energy from them, they still hadn't told me to fuck off and weren't outright ignoring me, and so I should have obviously stayed in set, but I went into my head, couldn't think of what to say next, stood there like an idiot for about 7 seconds, and then just ejected like a chode, lol. It kind of felt like my first ever approach even though I must have made like 1000 now!

My next approach was lots better, but I honestly can't remember much about it/ how I opened and managed to get an actual conversation going unfortunately.

But the success was all down to my non-verbal stuff that night which is funny because as I say, I basically gave up on dancefloor game for a while because I was close to a 100% ''Not interested!''(*backturn*) rate!
But that night, I was able to hook so many girls by just dancing near them, pulling some sort of expression, then smiling and extending my hand, then pulling them close.

The way that I kept getting caught kissing different girls WAS hilarious though. I keep thinking about it. It was like some bad comedy movie. I felt like some sort of Bumbling Hugh grant character as I was caught for like teh 3rd time kissing a different girl ''I'm terribly sorry about all of these incidents!'' kind of thing.

And that's 5 in this journal now

Would like to improve the quality a touch (she was slim and young and had nice eyes so decent, but not someone who I look at and think ''Damn! I want a piece of that!'') but until I get my verbals handled and am able to just flow, I think i'm still in for a bit of a battle!

Well yeah that fake id comeback wasn't particularly witty. I would've just playfully shoo'd her away and told her to let the adults speak for a moment or something similar. Either way, you don't have to stay in set until you get told to fuck off. If you're not feeling it, you're not feeling it. Perfectly fine to walk away. Your mindset should be that of meeting people worth your time, not that of being "tolerated" by randoms.


That just means you're starting to do it right.
Then approach whatever you consider to be hotter girls.

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lol, yeah it wasn't very witty. But unfortunately, it's the best my little brain gave me at the time. At least now I have something better (your line) for if the same situation ever comes up!

Sometimes I think i'll only ever have good verbal game after I've memorised every single possible thing/response to say for every possible situation!! haha

I do approach them girls (such as the '12 year old' - wait, that sounds bad )
Just I tend to have a lot less joy with them (with the exception of that 18 year old in one of my LR's)

Yea, but that less joy is self induced. Because you consider them to be of higher value than the lesser attractive ones simply because, in your subjective opinion, they're hotter.

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Yeah, I think there's definitely an element of that in there, but I don't think that's the whole story.

Still, hopefully with more approaches i'll get better!

You said yourself that my reply to the young girl wasn't very witty and I agree. Even though i've often been told to not worry about saying the right things or whatever, as you can see, I think it does play a role in whether you're able to hook the set or not - I still see massive holes in my verbal ability

PS - the girl is super needy and seems to want to be my girlfriend,lol. I'm trying to let her down gently and make it clear that i'm not looking for anything serious.

I think that what jester is saying is that he has less luck with the hotter girls he approaches. While yes, i do definitely agree that his mindset coming into the sets is somewhat affected, I think that happens to anyone and everyone, to some extent.

There may also be some objective truth to the fact that in a night time environment especially, looks do matter, and hotter girls will be more likely to blow you out because they are already getting attention in spades and can wait until something better comes along.

Not saying that this is in ALL cases, but at the very least it occurs sometimes.

I will give jester props for continuing to grind it out, to continue working, and to accept the lows and still continue to aim for the highs.

Good work!

Choccy! You're back - I was starting to think you might have left.

Yeah, I think the issue is BOTH the fact that i'm probably more nervous and in my head with the hot girls, COMBINED with the fact that they just tend to be a little bit icier and more aloof. Probably compounds my issues and shoves me even more in my head, trying to work out what to say, lol - Anyway, i'm not gonna concern myself with that too much until I can at least somewhat consistently 'hook' the more average looking girls.

PS - Any thoughts on my recent FR's? Not sure if you've caught up or not. Managed to finally get laid again the other night. I think that's 5 lays for the journal now which is honestly at least 4 more than I'd have expected when I started the journal. Feels a bit more like numbers game as opposed to skill, but I'll take what I can get at the moment!

It is definitely PARTIALLY a numbers game. But I can tell you, with the wrong approach, many guys could put in the time and yet only get 0 lays. You getting 5 lays for the year actually puts you in the top percentage.

My suggestion is to concentrate on finding those girls who are into your style. As you mentioned the most recent one was blatantly trying to get into your space. if I were you I'd ask WHY and figure out what attracted her to you.

that particular girl has been messaging me non-stop and seems to want to be my girlfriend, lol. I'm trying to let her down gently.

But she actually messaged me saying something like ''I fancied you the second I saw you. I even told me friend'' sort of thing, so it seems to be a case of me simply being her 'type' lookswise. But then I start to think 'maybe every girl i've ever got were the minority of girls who thought I was good looking, and so what I think was 'game', was actually just them choosing me!!'' Dunno. Bit of a head fuck. I'd have loved it if she said ''I didn't think you were good looking, but something about your body language, facial expressions, and the emotions you elicited in me made me fancy you!'' lol

But my main thing is still being able to more consistently reach the hookpoint where the girls actually start asking me things and seem to want me to not leave

There's a scale - there are girls who will fancy you LOTS and throw themselves at you, there are also ones who will like you just a little and give the subtle hints and you STILL have to work to get them.

yeah, I think you're right.
I guess bearing in mind that i'm not exactly Leo Dicaprio on the looks front, every girl I get probably needed a certain amount of 'game'!
Hopefully out tomorrow night with a load of old mates from school, so even if it's an awful night in terms of 'game', I should have some fun.
Hopefully an FR to boot.

back on the saddle last night, but it was a fairly rough one, unfortunately.

Met up with 3 friends and hit the bars

I see a group of 3. I open them all and ask where their Halloween costumes are? They flip it back on me and say ''Why are YOU not wearing a costume!?'' I tell them that I am, and that i'm usually a tall black man. They laugh. I ask them what they are up too. I ask the hot one how old she is. I pull her towards me and ask her friend if we make a cute couple lol. The friend says 'no'. I say ''Because i'm too handsome? We look odd together?'' She laughs and says ''No. Because she's my married daughter!''. I'm like ''Fuck off!! (the mother looked about 30!) I think I want you now! (I pulled her in for a hug) Amazing genes''. I more or less bail at that point

I see 2 girls sitting on a table near the bar. One gorgeous. One OK. I Open with ''Hey, how's your night going?''. She replies and I notice she is Foreign. I say 'where are you from? Wait. Let me guess....Hungary?''. Turns out i'm right. I notice the super hot friend is looking bored as fuck and I introduce myself to her and hi five her, but she still looks miserable. I try to speak to her briefly as she's the one I naturally want, but she doesn't seem interested. Me and the original girl speak a little more for a minute or so, but then she gets distracted by something on her friends phone and they are speaking Hungarian and starring at the phone. I try to engage the original girl a few times, but I never get her full attention. I bail

Next I see a stunner at the bar and I decide to try 'direct' and tell her that she looks nice and that I had to meet her quickly. She looks at me like i'm an alien and walks away from me.

GO too a different bar and as soon as I walk in I see a hot girl with a friend so I decide to use the 3 second rule of approaching a hot girl straight away in a new venue. I extend my hand for her to take it and she just looks at me and shakes her head and looks away.


Next I approach 2 girls in the outside area. I Open with some sort of self amusement and accuse her of copying my drink or something (both had ). Name/age/what is she up too tonight/job. She answers, but never asks me anything back and I soon feel like i'm running out of things to say. I notice something on her phone case which leads to us talking about rap music for a minute. She ejects soon after.

I open a girl at the bar who is getting served and make a comment on her drink. I do a cold read that makes her laugh. I ask her who she is but she tells me she's got a boyfriend and leaves.

I make a few dancefloor approaches to end the night, but nothing lands.