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Guys, thanks so much for giving me some perspective on this.
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Dont listen to that daygame comment either... You can totally rock the clubs and bars better than any of the younger men/boys! If you set your mind to it!
Ezo
That said I wouldn't mind up'ing my day-game without coming off as some kind of creep.
And TrueFlame, I hope you're right.
Chief, yeah, there are some higher-end bars around, and I've been to 'em all. Sure you've gotta pay a little at the door, but that's not the big deal. If I switch, I will be going *alone*.
Is there any special material on sarging alone? B/c that could really help me and I've never really mastered it. Oh, I have the BALLS to go out alone. I've done it all the time, but I always end up sitting at the bar by myself looking cool and sipping my drink, without saying a word to anyone. If I mention some observational/offhand thing to a girl next to me, or who's come up to the bar to get a drink, she'll often look the other way without saying a word.
From people who've lived in other states, I'm told that Richmond's bar/club scene is notorious for being clicque-ish; people go there *with* people they know, and sure they might branch out from time to time, but it doesn't happen often. It's not what's known as the "meet market" that bigger cities have.
The skills of flying solo that members like PUADave seem to have going on might be my answer.
Thanks again guys!
I just found this thread.
Let me tell you a story bro. Im 30 and I live in a college town and go to college bars. I was th biggest chode on the planet with very limited success with women up until just over a year ago. The women I always got were the average ones that basically thew themselves at me and that was getting less and less, and I felt just like you, like I was way past my prime and that I had squandered my youth and I'd never get a 20 year old hotty again. So many regrets.
I was real insecure about my age early on especially knowing I would soon be the dreaded 30, hell I think I even lied about it on this board once early on and said I was 25, which I did that a few times in the bar too. It's embarrassing to think about or that I lied now because its the BIGGEST non issue there is in this game. It's only and issue when you make it an issue meaning if you feel weird about it.
My leverage point luckly that got me in to the game and has changed every part of my life was meeting a hot 20 year old just over a year ago. Some friends told m she thought I was hot. I choded that up but it opened my reality up that I could still attract 20 year olds and set me on a rampage to get this part of my life handled. You know what Im glad things worked out the way they have, because if I had settle down earlier I would have never learned what I know now, and Im living the life I wanted right now.
I've went out 3-4 nights a week every week for 14 months trying to "catch up" for the years I squanded and get this handled. The reason I went out alone so much is because I didn't have much of a chocie and anyone as dedicated as I was. The friends I had were settled down or chodes and you know what it was great because going out alone is what helped me most to advance and build self reliance, social skills, and confidience more than anything else. I walk into these bars now and I know 10 people and if not Ill meet 10 that night.
The deal is when you are out alone, you can't be feeling weird about being alone at all, if you feel weird about it then other people will and when you try to talk to them you'll put off a needy vibe that repells. You got to have the mind set that Im a cool dude that does what he wants and isn't concerned with others opinons of me. I make my on reality and control how I feel about myself, and I want to go to a bar and meet cool people.
Same way with age. You cant feel weird about it. I've probably opened 1000 chicks this year mostly in their early 20's. Nearly every one has asked my age cause Im obviously older. Out of those 1000 ONLY ONE chick has said "you'r old" and she was still obvioulsy attracted to me and I STILL got her number. My lowest close has been 19 that I know about. One chick im texting right now im a little scared to ask LOL. I say 30 with pride now. Its just something you have to push through and eventually your reality will become it's a non issue. I get some looks when Im out with 20 year olds on day 2's, but it's like the bar. I honestly stopped careing what others think for the most part, and that is the flip point to all this IMO. Lifes to short I do what I want and I dont do regrets anymore ive had enough. Truth is I think most of the dudes that look at me weird are jealous and the women jealous of the younger women with me. That's my realty now.
CHAT
