I can tell you with absolute certainty that this isn't true. That means you're not well rounded. Women aren't as driven sexually like men are, so if you're not their type in the looks department and have nothing else to offer that she can find attractive then you will lose out. You'll hear a lot of women say that a guy is good looking but not her type. That's why that's a problem.That's the difference between "I think" and "I know". You have to get some experience in some of these things before you write it off, Arch.Get some better use of your time. Hit the gym. Read a book. Do some man stuff instead of petty shit.You're circling back to things that cannot be proven. I get girls that do this type of shit and they open communication again without me doing a thing. It's a fallacy in that logic. If a woman is telling you these things it's because you are playing games like a woman. Stop doing that and it won't ever be a problem.Are you actually equivocating that playing games with women to having higher standards? Come on Arch.

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That's 100% untrue.

https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archi ... it/276598/


Women want sex just as much as men do, and this drive is "not, for the most part, sparked or sustained by emotional intimacy and safety." When it comes to the craving for sexual variety, the research Bergner assembles suggests that women may be "even less well-suited for monogamy than men."


Get with the times, my man.


Right, usually that means he's fat or un-centered. It's funny how as soon as a man gets a big pair of arms, he's suddenly a lot more of "a woman's type".
No. People who say "I don't play games" or "I won't play games" are usually emotionally unintelligent, and always get dumped for being needy/impulsive. It's why they have that hard protective shell and say that.

I've never been with a socially valuable woman who said "I don't play games". This is the last gasp of overweight, glued-to-wine-glass cougars.

The 9's and 10's who are desirable will actually relish a bit of gamesmanship early on. It's part of the flirting/seduction process.

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LMAO. I don't need to read that article to know that it's wrong. Men have a higher sex drive because a sex drive is primarily driven by testosterone. If you are meeting women with a higher or equal sex drive to you, it's because either you are in your 60s or she's really a dude. It's science. Then again, you are posting research by a journalist and not a scientist.

Even with the "even less well-suited for monogamy than men," isn't about the desire for sex and here's why you know it's true. You always say that a woman wants a "dominant man" and there is a truth to that. Most men will settle down with their woman and while a lot of men stray, they'll usually come home to their woman at the end of the day with no desire to leave her. Women on the other hand, their faithfulness and sexual attraction to a man is usually influenced by a man's utility. If another man has more to offer, she'll likely leave him for the new guy. This is what the whole monkey branching thing is about. You need to get out more. It has nothing to do with being fat or uncentered. You talk about women that have you run the other way because they aren't your type. Women have similar reasons.I say that and I'm not emotionally unintelligent, I don't get dumped for being needy/impulsive, and I don't have a hard protective shell. I have standards. If a woman asks why I don't call or hang out with her anymore, I'll tell her my reason. If you don't hang out with a woman anymore and she asks you why, do you not explain it to her? But again, I'm not afraid of a woman's reaction to the things that I say. A girl flakes on you, you want to teach her a lesson, do a tactic, or get revenge but at the same time hope that she comes back. If you are truly a guy that has other women in his life, you don't have time for shit like that. Stuff like that shouldn't even be crossing your mind. A scarcity mindset has you putting extra time into these women. It's a defense mechanism to protect your ego by not allowing her to go away without you doing something to get revenge for hurting your feelings but deep down you still want that one to come back and you consider that early courtship.

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I tell chicks all the time I dont play games...no idea what that has to do with being needy or impulsive. Usually happens when a chick asks me to tell her more about myself...same way I'd describe the things I value or am attracted to. Game playing is a turn off for me and I say so. Needy? No, actually I'm describing my standards in a woman. Impulsive? No, whether it be a one night stand or a LTR, I dont play games. Even if I know a chick for 1 minute, I dont need time before I express myself. Ive told chicks "I dont play games, Im taking you home tonight" and proceeded to take them from the bar/club. Hard protective shell? Again, no...stating standards/values isnt about protecting yourself. Never been dumped for stating this, in fact chicks like the directness and its a challenge for them to meet MY standards. No idea why you cant get the power in challenging a chick, instead of accepting what she prefers.

As to playing games and it being tied to flirting and seduction...cant agree there. Flirting and seducing has NOTHING to do with someone telling you they'd meet at X time and they not show up wasting your time. Thats childish and not "cute." Whether it be a 5 minute approach, a one night stand or serious dating, I dont waste someone's time or give them absurd excuses. There are many women out there who like this dynamic for sure...they are childish. It's one thing for her to not be that interested, its another thing to not even have the decency to give me a bs excuse beforehand and not waste my time. Personally, I dont "challenge" by how often I text; I challenge by expressing my standards and letting her be better to meet them. I dont "flirt" by making plans I dont intend to keep, I flirt through humor, tension and physicality.

Like seriously, REVENGE on a chick and a lie to get her to go somewhere you wouldnt be? Then you'll wonder why you're coming across childish women, when your own mentality is childish like that. Thats a prime example of looking at yourself and seeing how women are a reflection of what type of man you are. How are we grown men playing like this? This sounds like something you'd tell your college buddy to do, but after college you should get that kinda shit out of your system.

Whatever you accept is what you get.

When you tell a girl you "don't play games" you're basically broadcasting in bright neon letters that you have trouble with women, and that you've been dumped a lot.

It's a defense mechanism to prevent you from being hurt by the opposite sex again.


Aging women (usually chunky, drink too much) will say this a lot as they find themselves further and further alienated from desirable men in the social marketplace.

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Arch, this is why you have to depend on physical attraction. You don't seem to be able to grasp the dynamics of communication with women. I've told you that women conform to men and you didn't "think" it was true. That's fine if you don't know because no one knows everything. Neo says his experience is that women tend to take that as a challenge instead of you accepting what she prefers, but you try to overrule his experience by saying that women see that as him being dumped a lot. You avoid what's being presented in front of you so you don't have to acknowledge that other people know what they are talking about. Seriously dude, when a guy says "this is my experience and I have been successful because of it" how the fuck are you going to say that it didn't work the way he said it did.

You on the other hand are showing that you take offense when a girl flakes on you and if you don't like her excuse, you have to do something about it. That's ego. That's a frail ego. If you are telling any guy that you would tell a girl that you have extra money and want to spend it on her and then not show up after she flaked on you, you are full of shit if you said that you have a greater chance of her coming around later because she's learned her lesson. That's a neon sign over your head saying that you're butthurt because she stood you up.

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Actually I've advocated against that numerous times here. indifference is important there.
Nope. Butt hurt would be "come on, why not? You bitch!" or "that was rude, I don't play games."

This is simply a tactic. Not one I often recommend, but within the context of the OP's post, I think it's one of several valid responses.

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You are advocating here, right now. You are advocating it because you don't like her answer. You even say that it's a stupid thing to do, but it's fun. You said that you do it to educate her that if she fucks with you that you'll fuck with her. That's not indifferent behavior. That is petty and childish behavior. For a guy that likes to talk about being emotionally centered, this is the exact opposite of that.Again, there is no goal in this tactic. As you have admitted to earlier, it doesn't necessarily do anything for you. You just recommend it because you need to feel better. She's not going to learn a lesson and if she flaked on you before, she's likely not going to show up just because you're trying to wave money in her face. Hot girls always have guys trying to flash money to them just as a lure. It's what the average chump does.

Don't think that I don't see you trying to do your normal strawman tactics. I tell a girl that I don't play games because it's the truth. I don't have time for them. There's plenty of other girls that are just as hot or hotter that won't play games. Arch, I hope that you one day have the experience of women seeing you as enough of a prize that she'll conform to you without you having to do these petty tactics. Until you actually experience it, you'll never get it.

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Nope, no trouble with women, dare you to find a post from me asking for help with women lol. Not dumped alot, again dare you to find me here asking how not to get dumped or advising guys to do xyz so they wouldnt get dumped...thats you. Also not preventing myself from getting hurt....I have no idea how you read all those things from "I dont play games." What does not playing games even have to do with getting hurt? Youre the one who says if a girl doesnt like you you should be sad....Ive never spoken like this.

You're reading all of these weird things from 4 words ie "I dont play games" and personally I wouldnt date a woman who would even jump to thoughts of me being hurt or trouble with women from 4 words. Same way I wouldnt date a chick who hears me say "I dont drink" and she conjours up notions of that meaning I'm an alcoholic with DUIs. If you and the women you date will assume someone not being interested in making plans and bailing without a word...that that means that person MUST be hurt..."oh...you dont want to 'flirt' by waiting at a venue for me....you must be a hurt person"...thats so crazy and childish. Sorry, wasting my time doesnt turn me on and I dont flirt that way. Nor do I think of revenge in dating and follow a childish woman's lead. These games you play, you may think they are some new thing, man I was that way in my teens with women. You're not saying anything new, just stuff that most guys grow out of.

I'll even tell you, I dont play games so stop playing them here. Is the make her go somewhere a tactic, if so what next, or is it just revenge, if so why?

All women play games its part of who they are. most times its kind of cute

From experience the ones who say '' I don't play games'',

very soon start playing the most sinister mental gymnastics ever, they are the real bunny boilers.


Personally I don't mind women playing some games, but what i find totally unforgivable is when they are no good at playing them.

I would like to experience some genuine honesty from one of them just once, Ive heard '' IM not that type of Girl'' '' I dont do one night stands'' '' Im not the type of girl you think I am''

so many times its boring.

For a change it would be nice to hear

'' Im exactly the type of girl you think i am, I go out every Wednesday and pick up a different random guy and bang him, and then never answer their phone calls, its your lucky Wednesday''