This is a forum about seducing women, not paying bills. In the context of this forum, the financially-strapped bouncer who gets laid is the alpha. and the guy with the nice career, and who has to jerk off thanks to an obese wife is the beta bitch.


That's exactly what abundance mentality is. Very, very few men ever have it. When you do, you treat women they way they treat dating options: completely disposable with little emotion.




[quote\]Few, and I mean very few hot chicks can even support themselves financially. And the guys willing to support them are losers. [/quote]

Who cares?

These are all material things that have nothing to do with the science of core attraction.

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I have to assume this forum is more than "get laid = you're alpha." You're a LIFE coach. I'm sorry I cant give props or the title of alpha to someone who can't support themselves past a certain point. Basic human rule. Before getting laid. Your'e taking care of yourself.
I cant see how what you said here logically connects to what I said. I never spoke on men with abundance mentality, nor how women treat their dating options. In response to the first sentence; what women past the point of hideousness doesnt have the ability to fuck tons of guys? What women past the point of hideousness cant find guys to wife them? Ive seen this 10's have super abundance thing, what is it? Please explain how a 10 with nothing else to offer besides her looks, has this high level of abundance over just regular female abundance/options? Guys will offer dates to most chicks. Guys will try to fuck most chicks. 5-10. The 10 has a better guy who'll work more for sex with her than he would with an avg chick sure, but who is taking these instagram ex strippers seriously? What guy with his shit in order is going to really try for an ex stripper?

I never said dont be attracted to hot chicks. But dont build them up as these mythical creatures who because guys want to fuck her its impressive. Guys like to fuck women. And many will fuck anything. So what's notable about a chick because she has guys who want to fuck her?

Why not do both? A man can't get laid and evolve towards abundance mentality while having financial troubles?

Seems weird.

Life is short, go for everything.
It's being able to fuck who you want, when you want. Almost no men have it, but sexy women have had it their entire lives. This developmental difference is why forums like this need to exist, to bridge the gap.


This is about SCIENCE, nothing else.

A 10 who works at Taco Bell will have more options, and have more social value than an obese lawyer. Career simply does not fucking matter. Men and women are designed to be drawn to each other, and mate. The more attractive/fit you are, the more options you will have.



I agree with this. Building them up as mythical creates a pedestal/pleaser mentality that will doom the man.

But I don't think it's wrong to logically understand that these women have had a different life-lense than less beautiful women, and therefore are looking for the most dominant man.

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This thread is going to the point of ridiculous. There are attractive women and unattractive women...rating them 9's and 10's is bullshit unless you are trying to explain how attractive YOU think a woman is. The more you have going for you, the easier it is for you to seduce women. Handsome guy will get less women than a handsome guy with game. Handsome guy with game will get less women than handsome guy with game + good job.

I know girls that won't speak to you if you aren't making the same amount of money as them or more. I know girls who will google how much your job makes and will ghost you if she thinks you're struggling. Career can matter as it factors into your masculinity because it shows that you are capable of providing.

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This is what I said: I never made an argument with respect to CAREER or FINANCES. I was not making the point that a bouncer is not alpha because he's a bouncer. I described a man specifically who is living in his parents basement and will be doing so for 20 years later. That's not financial struggles. Thats not a man "going for everything." This is a boy who is home living off of people and investing his time in his dick before investing it in not being another bill to others.
A "7" has choice of who she wants to fuck, no less than a 10. Are there many guys out there who if a "7" comes up to and says lets fuck, will pass but if a 10 does the same will bang? No. Guys fuck. "7" or "10" they can get fucked by the same guys.

If you walk up to most people and say here have this $20, most people will take it. Lets dismiss whether they will be suspicious or whatever...if you offer a $20, people arent going to say nah dont give me money. If you give $100, they'll take it too. Its not a big deal that a "10" can get fucked by anyone, when a "7" will get fucked too.
Again, I'm talking about looking highly on an ex stripper instagram model as some kinda prize because she's hot. Look, for eg, this instagram hot chick probably has orbiters ie guys trying to fuck her. But orbiters are just lame guys, because a guy with his shit in order and confidence isnt going to be chasing an ex stripper instagram model. There arent alot of guys who "orbit" who have options. So chicks like this, the abundance you describe, is an abundance of lame guys. And the non lame guys bang them and deal with them at that level. I wouldnt call it abundance, same way I wont say a guy with a phone full of numbers from a bunch of chicks hes not attracted to has abundance. Abundance means you have GOOD options and choice. Not mostly guys who want to fuck you. Most chicks have that by default.

My whole thing with this is, OP is having success with his goals and has to strategize for an instagram model? Hang out, fuck her. Netflix and chill. She's an ex stripper...what do you think happens in the VIP room?

Why can't we agree that we all like what we like? I caught myself today asking my roommate whether my ex still got it. Yeah I banged her last night. So my roommate and I went over the rating system and then I said to myself. Who cares- I find her attractive and she looks hot.

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Thats what Im saying, dont put in your head that because a chick has guys who want to fuck her, that should complicate you having sex with her. You want to fuck her, fuck her. Treat chicks without care to whether they're a bartender or a 9 or 10, and just fuck. Whether you ignore a chick because you think she has options, or you over text her because you think she has options, you're pedestelling her.

Neo is on fire today.

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I agree with you Neo.

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Speak for yourself, man, lol.


I only date 9's and 10's under the age of 33. I simply do not acknowledge 7's. Women who are fit and 9's and 10's also have this option.

That's abundance mentality.


Sure, of course. Depends on how attractive/good the guy is.
A 10 can't get fucked by anyone. They have a different life lense than a 7, just like a dominant male who has mastered emotional control and fitness can have his pick of women, and easily, EASILY ignore 7's and 8's.

Having amazing sex with a really hot girl IS a prize, lol. It's why she has 100,000 fucking followers, and Debbie the overweight CEO has to beg for dick.


True.
Abundance means you have MANY options, good and bad, when and where you want them. Most men do not have this at all. And true, many women have this naturally, which is why forums like this exist. But as female obesity rates rise, they're losing this mentality, and skinny, ugly girls are seen as prizes, because they are rare.

True.

But if all he wants is to get laid, who cares?

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No. That's called a preference.You realize that you're saying that a man will find a woman attractive and if she offers him sex, he'll turn her down. No matter how attractive the man is, that makes no sense.You're not even making any point now. PUA is about getting the women that you are attracted to. Guys that aren't looking at women and defining them with an opinion of what they are rated are going to have better emotional control over the guys that do. While you probably had to master emotional control to get a girl that you find attractive, another guy is going to treat her the same as what you call a 7 and still get that girl. To Neo's point 7 is considered attractive. Attractive girls are going to get hit on by the most attractive guys. Hell, George Clooney's wife isn't what I'd consider a 9 or 10 but we know women love him. That's not Arch Stanton's normal mentality. He always says that he's the prize.

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It's both.


Most men can't bed their preferences.

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No, it's a preference. Just because you only date women that you consider to be 9's and 10's and under a certain age, it doesn't mean that you are actually in demand by these same women or that you'll actually even approach them. An abundance mentality means that you believe that you have the option of the type of women that you want to date will be available to you.

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It's both, jack.

All men have preferences. Having abundance means you can bed those preferences.

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It doesn't, but you don't get it. Abundance is strict numbers. You can have ugly women chasing you and that means you have abundance, but it doesn't mean that you have your preference. Abundance mentality isn't the same as abundance either because you can be obsessing over one girl while not realizing that you have lots of other girls chasing you. Abundance mentality is a belief system more than it is reality. Experience can shape that belief but so can delusion.

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