Going to the gym isn't going to change Bart. It's the awkwardness that's getting him. The only difference would be that he would be awkward with muscles.

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Hahaha, I was Just thinking this to myself the other day at the gym. Dudes think muscles get the bitches (helps get your foot in the door) but instead of a dude with no game you become a guy with muscles and no game.

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I agree about the awkwardness, but I disagree about the gym not changing him.

The thing about Bart is that he's got literally nothing going for him. If I recall his old threads correctly, he has no hobbies, no real friends, and no definite plans for improvement. He comes on this forum hoping to change. Hope != action.

I'm trying to get this guy to start by commiting to the gym, which subtly translates to self-improvement. If he takes the bait, then I'll have him successively perform larger tasks (shape him, essentially), such as have him broaden his interests, build a social circle, etc. to improve his social awareness.

Candidly, this guy seems a little autistic; if he's asking questions like this and posting stories like this thread, he needs a lot more than advice about women.

It's hard explaining feelings via text but I'll try to explain what I'm "feeling" from you here.

So, you see a girl smiling at you when you smiled at her. You could assume she's interested at the least and approach her. Which you did.

But then you stopped showing interest in her. You were asking questions.... But not showing interest in the girl.

I'll give you a small piece of advice that might help you next time. Instead of complimenting on a girls cell phone, compliment on how good her hair smells. Or how amazing she looks. Whatever... But actually HIT ON THE GIRL.

The reason this probably creeped her out was because here you come, and she thinks you're gonna hit on her.

Girls spend their WHOLE FUCKING LIVES trying to look beautiful. They are at a constant battle against time to stay beautiful. The compliments that you are so afraid to give a girl in fear of being "creepy" is actually the shit that the girl wants to hear.

The thing that's creeping girls out is you're acting like the guy who's gonna hit on them... (You approach, you get close to her. I'm guessing you touched her a little bit being that close?) ..... But then you don't actually do it.

Hope this helps. You're getting there man. You're definitely making progress.

Majikal,


I have 3 reasons for not saying "you look beautiful":
1) that's what every jackass says, it's not unique
2) I want to be challenging. I want them to work for the compliment. I dont want to appear like I am superficial or quickly impressed.
3) maybe I am afraid of appearing creepy like you said. this one is a maybe. I am not sure.

I think you already know that girls are really really good at reading subtext. I figured she would know by complimenting her phone, I am not literally complimenting her phone and I am trying to hit on her.

I am not trying to argue with you. in fact, I believe you're right because people on here and in real life have told me to go direct instead of saying weird shit. I am just trying to see why reasons #1 and #2 above are wrong.

This answer is the reason I said that the gym won't fix Bart's problem. His problems are in his head.

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1. It's actually NOT what every jackass says. Most guys don't have the fucking balls to hit on a girl. Not as aggressively as I'm talking about. It makes a girl horny when she knows she's making you horny.

2. They DO work for the compliments. I may be talking to you a bit "unfairly" because I've had girls living with me for I don't even know how long... But most girls spend at least an HOUR getting ready before they leave the house.

On top of that, as girls get older, they need to work harder and harder for their bodies. Just like we do. I can spot a fitness chick from a fucking mile away based on the way her ass looks. That deserves compliments.

3. It's creepy because you're trying to be "under the radar" with your words. You're direct in your approach and your body language... Just missing that final piece of the puzzle.

You know dirty talk is like one of the biggest turn ons for a girl right? That and a hot guy who aggressively wants them... Show her you want her. Tell her you want her.

I agree. Truly hot women hear this all the time. It means nothing to them. I once had a 10 tell me it even annoys her, that the words are "hollow".

Now, if you've got the girl hooked, she may want to hear it from you later. But that's after you're making her cum her brains out and she can't walk away.

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I swear Bart has Aspergers lol

Bart, start looking at your body language, I think now you've sublimated your aggressive verbals for aggressive non-verbals (e.g. standing toe to toe). Have more open body language, give the women some room...you're going from 0-100 let's slow er' down a lil, Sonic. Just relax, breath be in the moment, no need to get all up in someone's face or be confrontational.

This is half right. She knows that she's attractive, but it can only mean something if it's from a guy that she finds attractive. If you tell her "you look beautiful" and wait for her to respond without offering anything, she's not going to reward you because you told her that so the interaction is going to go downhill afterwards. If you can create good feelings after you make that compliment, she probably won't remember the conversation down the line but she will tell all of her friends about how you walked right up to her and told her that she was beautiful and compliment your boldness.

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Not hollow if its 1) coming through honest intentions, and 2) non generic meaning something about her beauty but really I like to compliment on other things such as she seems vivacious, go-getter etc... got 'spunk'/"ooOooh you're a feisty one I can tell from your walk",

This is all bullshit. You can tell any girl that she is attractive if you find her attractive. What matters is YOUR VALUE.

A hot girl might get compliments a lot. She might know she's attractive. But that isn't what is important here. What matters is if the compliment she gets is from a place of value itself. If a geeky loser with no value gives her a compliment of course she will just shrug it off and in some cases even get grossed out that a low value guy just hit on her. However if a high value guy tells her attractive, no matter how many times she's heard it before, she will feel some value from the compliment that a high value guy has just told her she is attractive, instead of feeling grossed out she will probably feel validated and happy that a guy of higher value thinks that she's hot. THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS.

Personally I'm usually very direct in my seductions. Turning on the charm and flirtatiousness and telling a girl what you find attractive about her shows massive amounts of confidence when it's coming from a place of value and it is calibrated. If she feels that you want to fuck her and she is attracted to you then she will get sucked into your frame and it doesn't matter if 100's of guys and girls have told her she's hot beforehand, because YOU, a man of value, telling her she is sexy means something completely different.

There is also a technique you can use when girls really start fishing for compliments from you so that you can hold value and make her more interested and intrigued by you, and you can also 'neg' a little to spice things up and add a bit of cockiness and playfulness to things, but that is opening up the topic up probably a bit too much for this thread.

There is a massive difference between giving a girl a direct sexy compliment from a place of value than sucking up to a girl and being needy for her attractiveness like orbiters do. When you become a man of value and actually work on your pick up skills through first hand experience you will learn to understand this and how to calibrate yourself to best handle and approach well in all situations.

The majority of guys who pay compliments do so out of a 'taking' energy - in other words, they want something from her (usually sex), and/or validation (scarcity frame). As I stated previously its the energy to which you're paying the compliment out of which will determine her response, as with anything else.

This is why WHAT you say to open a girl is pretty much trivial compared to the energy to which you're acting out of. Why some guys who have confidence in themselves (e.g. their own intrinsic 'value') can compliment a girl on how sublime a girl's ass is and she giggle, versus guys using the same compliment out of a validation-seeking energy as "creepy" "douchey" or "gross".

Definitely True.

I don't think giving off energy that you want sex from her is a bad thing, infact it is very positive. But if you are needy for the sex as you said doing this in a scarcity frame then that will definitely repel women.

This is why I said if you compliment from a place of VALUE. With the right intention and purpose. You should be fine.

I've rocked up besides girls and the first thing I've said sometimes is "Your ass is looking rather amazing today" because that's what I was feeling at the time. Probably one of my favourite openers

Bart after applying Arch Stantons advice...



"WHY THEY NOT COMING TO ME YET BRO"