This is also wrong.

This is the problem with a lot of thinking when it comes to seduction when it comes to a lot of you. Value is built in commonalities, ability to fulfill perceived needs, and personality.

_________________
mpuaforum.proboards.com

Redstar?

I guess there is a difference in telling people you are higher valued than people to a bunch of strangers on forum, instead of truly believing it 100% to your true core

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

people wont value you unless you value yourself first

then why is it easy for Mr 5 to get Ms 2,but hard for him to get Ms 8?

_________________
If I was ya man, baby, you'd
Never worry bout what I do
I'd be coming home back to you
Every night, doin' you right

This is because cold approaches are the hardest to get over that hump. First thing that is rated is the physical attraction. It's the most important impression on a cold approach. The only way to get passed that is to pull them in with either energy or conversation and it's still nearly impossible if her first thought is that he is unattractive or that she is above him.

Let's say you were to do a warm approach, the physical attraction is less important because there may be a commonality that has brought the Mr 5 and Ms 8 together. Her perception of him may go up and her physical attraction may not be what is focused on during this time.

Now let's say that two people are being introduced. Ms 8 may be willing to accept Mr 5 because he comes with a recommendation. There is nothing better than a friend of hers telling her, "He's perfect for you."

_________________
mpuaforum.proboards.com

you do make some good points

_________________
If I was ya man, baby, you'd
Never worry bout what I do
I'd be coming home back to you
Every night, doin' you right

Jack has not ever been wrong,

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

This doesn't mean that mr 5 will end up sleeping with ms 8, it just means that she'll probably be more polite to him at first and the start of the interaction will be a lot easier. However if ms 8 still doesn't find mr 5 attractive, she might only see him as a friend. Even if the a friend recommends him, she will still be looking at the guy who is a 9 or 10 on the other side of the room (or thinking about him if he's not around).

Well said. I think alot of people forget that cold approach accounts for about 5% of the couples you see, and abt 2% of sexual encounters. Ask the average couple "how'd you meet?" Its typically we knew each other from work, and after a few months we went on a date. The average dating scenario is not cold approach. So the average guy from work usually has weeks, months to show value beyond his physical appearance before he even shows interest. Its like interviews. Someone applying internally for a position has an easier time than someone applying from outside the company because they already share commonalities with the hiring manager.

It's because women by nature want to fuck guys that they perceive to be either on or above their level of attractiveness.

As a man their are a number of things that are universally attractive to women that we can develop to take us up the scale. Personalty, looks, lifestyle, seduction skillset... it all comes into play.

Having commonalities doesn't do much for attraction. "Oh you support x team, I think x team is good too" is hardly going to spark attraction. If that was the case, then you'd want to fuck all your friends, and I should hope that this isn't the case. Having the balls to disagree with girls and hold your own opinion sometimes sparks a lot of attraction. But if look like an embryo and live in your mothers basement with no cash (3) then it's going to be very hard to fuck a stunner (8) no matter which way you approach her. You could find a girl who is a 2 herself and probably succeed though. But until you raise your value your never going to fuck that 8. That is the way it works.

That being said. When an approach is 'warmer' it is always easier to convert when attraction is there.

I believe that this may be true of younger women. Women younger than 25 (men as well) don't usually see other values as easily and would be willing to give up a good thing for looks alone. Once maturity and reality kicks in and life is less about fun and more about funds, most people don't settle for looks alone.

_________________
mpuaforum.proboards.com

Yeah, as you get older value isn't just about looks. As I mentioned in the other post I just made if you seen that ^^^

Which is why 'game' is the development of all of your attractive qualities as a man; personality, looks, lifestyle, seduction skillset... that is what I think encompass's 'value' for a man.

Oh wow. You need to change your thinking on this statement. Commonalities build bonds. You find the right commonality, you can make it like it's you and her against the world. Even with the example of you and her being fans of the same team can be taken a step further when you bring up that one specific game and the emotions you guys felt over it. It's such a powerful thing because it can put you on the same level of understanding.

_________________
mpuaforum.proboards.com

Pretty much every single one of my LTRs (I've had 6 spanning a year all the way up to 7) have been from cold approaches. I've never dated anyone from work, or to my recollection university even. I kinda like a woman who has a few core commonalities but beyond that a lot of different interests to help me broaden my own experiences.

Perhaps I am an outlier, and I'm not saying pre-screening doesn't work. It's likely easier to get-in with a woman who you share a mutual friend with (and she vouches for you). That said I've relied primarily on attraction and just being a "funny" quirky (or "odd"), flying under the radar I'm not a kino-type touchy feeling kinda guy, though I know when I'm 'on' I speak with a lot of enthusiasm/passion and humor. That said I'll never be a 'player', nor do I have any aspirations to be. I like getting to know women and seeing if they're interesting enough to hang around with, connection - not seeing how many STDs I can collect like stamps in a lifetime.

Yeah they build bonds and rapport, but they don't build attraction. Get my point?