This is truth and something I've done a number of times.
Not only can attraction last a long time, it can fade and return.
I'm never worried about the "friendzone". We're either attracted to each other or we aren't. And that can even *start* after you've known each other. That happened with a chubby girl that I genuinely liked as a person. We were "just friends" for a year. She started hitting the gym, a few months later, she was 20 lbs lighter, hot and very much dateable. And so we did.

Now I understand there is a situation some guys get into where they're pinning after some girl that is not attracted to them. That's bad, because there is no reliable way to attract any particular woman. But that's a whole other thing.
There is nothing wrong with dating ugly/far girls if you're able to. Believe me, if I had the ability to find all women equally physically attractive, I would. It would be a great thing if every woman was a 10 to me.
The problem is, it's simply not that way for me. I didn't sit down one day and say I'm attracted to this and that type but not that other type. I'm not attracted to fat girls. I have no control over it. It's the same way I'm not attracted to men, or billy goats. No matter what a girl's personality is, I simply cannot date her if I'm not physically attracted to her. I've had several good male friends. I can't fuck them even if I logically thought "He'd be perfect for me as a life partner!". There is no physical attraction there. I find men physically grotesque. Same for fat women. It's not something I logically planned out, it's a purely biological reaction.
I like quite a number of different traits in women. Many of which are contradictory and can't be found in the same woman. Why would I not date different types of women?

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Oh. Versalis. You're up to something. So let me clarify the misunderstanding and redefine my statement in a way that your way of finding different, sometimes contradictory qualities attractive fit into the picture too, because I think even like that, it is STILL not useful to rate women.

I don't think rating is unnecessary because looks aren't important. I do realize and I pointed it out too, that I am unique in this perspective. I think it is unnecessary to differentiate because your standards should be as high as they can possibly be. Whatever sets that standard(looks, personality, or both) it should be clear that any women lower than that is not qualified for you. So if you find different traits attractive, it IS cool, but you still have it defined who can be a potential mate, and who can't. And anything more complicated than this is redundant. So what I'm trying to say here is not that you should only look for a specific type, but that anything other than your topmost desires is out of question. And before another misunderstanding comes into this I will elaborate more...

You can say, but OK I don't care as much about personality traits when I'm going for an SNL as when I'm searching for a relationship(I think this is a common and perfectly healthy perspective for many people here).

But, my statement still stands. You have a standard for SNL, and you have a standard for relationships. Anything that doesn't qualify for an SNL, you should not bother, and anything that doesn't qualify for a relationship you shouldn't bother either. So what I'm up to here is that whatever your plans with a particular woman are, it is redundant to go beyond the level of "she's good enough for that or she's not good enough". That's why I think rating women doesn't have a plus side. It doesn't always have a negative side either, but it CAN have in many cases. So common sense to me says that it is unnecessary.

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Agree with this. You're hitting on the girl and she knows it. Verbalize it.

Dude complimenting is the pull part of seduction. Its always better to compliment her on something she is wearing or something about her personality. You just have to learn to be able to notice little things on a woman. Compliment anything unique she is wearing or how she fixed her hair. One thing I like to do is if she reminds you of a celebrity is to tell her she looks like that celebrity. But with me for instance if she looks like Carrie Underwood I would say "Carrie Underwood looks like you". (warning though this can backfire if she really does look similar to someone and gets told all the time)

Be specific with the compliment if you can. The compliment will seem more genuine if its specific. Also another good tip is to use kino when you compliment her. Just don't over do it of course. Too much compliments makes you seem fake.

I think a point that's missed a lot in the MM vs confident direct approach is context. All bars aren't the same and all clubs aren't the same. I know guys who go into the chill laid back bars with direct very physical stuff and get little success. And guys who go into the super loud dance clubs with opinion openers and get blown out like crazy.

Bars are different ;some are high energy some are low. MM is really designed for night spots where you can have a conversation and need to get into groups under the radar. Some bars have big spaces and groups posted up for the night so going direct from set to set looks bad. Even in a high energy bar there are going to be girls in areas having chill conversations. Ten o clock game is different that 1 o clock game. If you're using one form of game you're limiting the places you can go and the girls you can talk to.

Hey neo, my man. I also state that calibration is really important. I think I have mentioned that a couple of times. Of course you can't always get away with the brutally sexual stuff, especially in front of her friends. But even like that I state my intentions clear from the start. You don't really need to be under the radar if you seem like a cool guy to be around. In cases like this I'd open the whole group and then still throw in a compliment on my target pretty soon.

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Yes. Calibration is very important as Instinct noted.

What's even more important is the GOAL to get from point A to point B and from point B to point C. So when you give a compliment, you shouldn't just give out a compliment. That compliment should have a result.

Result A. Touches from the girl.

Result B. Touches from you as you give the compliment.

Since I do day game and sarge in very public places where I can't really grab a girl's ass or boobies, I bait new girls to kino me first and then (without touching them) sexually escalate on their erotic body parts along with the reliable and potent eye fuck.

When I have successfully isolated a girl though, the compliment I give goes along with kino escalation similar to Instinct's. For instance:

HH: You have silken smooth hair. You really take care of it well. Did you just get a rebond? (Touches girl's hair while saying this along with a very intense eye fuck.)
Girl: No. I just use brand XYZ conditioner. (Blushes. Eye fucks you back.)
HH: (Whispers in her ear.) Your soft smooth hair is the type that's nice to touch while I'm banging your pussy real hard.

At this point, when the girl pulls back, you then recalibrate and pull back a little after the compliment. If she doesn't pull back, you finalize the isolation bounce to your apartment.

Public Place Sarge --> Mid-Isolation Bounce to 7-11 or any place (Delivering the routine during small breaks in the walk) --> Final Isolation to Apartment

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