i've received multiple responses from fellow players who strongly suggested that I drop the lines and focus on a more natural style of conversation. A conversation that happens in-the-moment, is natural and spontaneous. That way i'll come off as more authentic, real and genuine.

While the problem with using routines and memorized scripts is that they come off as fake, robotic and usually not congruent with my body-language.

By no means am I arguing with this point. Improv, REAL conversation is MUCH MORE powerful than "fake pre-planned" conversation. However, I encourage you to try see things from my point of view:

Why i will keep using lines and routines... despite your concerns


(1) I'm not good at coming up what to say when I first approach her. My mind goes blank and i'm like "uhh.................."

If I don't prepare what to say then I won't have anything to say!! My mind just freezes and nothing comes out of my mind of what to say. Routines is the ONLY way I can actually have something of real value/interesting to say.

Because I suck of instantly coming up with something awesome (or anything) to say, as soon as I see a girl.

(2) Even if I do think of what to say, (which is often unlikely), it will be lame. And lame often isn't enough to actually HOOK the set. In order to HOOK a set you have to have REAL value to offer her, and being lame isn't sufficient. Being lame will bore her.

(3) Let's remember the fact that Mystery uses routines and a lot of biggest names in the seduction community (including neil strauss, and nick savoy) fully support routines. They are extremely effective. The only reason they aren't working for me is because I'm not doing them right: NOT because they are a wrong tool to use.

For example: a grenade is dangerously lethal to someone who knows uses it. But to someone who can't use a grenade (like me) i'll probably just blow up myself and everyone around me LOL. Just because I don't know how to use a grenade doesn't mean grenades suck.

(4) The biggest reason routines aren't working for me is because my verbal bodylanguage makes them seem fake. All I need to do is fix that, and they will rock. Let me say this one more time: THE ONLY REASON THEY AREN'T WORKING IS BECAUSE OF THIS SPECIFIC BODY-LANGUAGE ISSUE WHICH I WILL FIX. AND THEN THEY WILL START WORKING AGAIN.

There is one point, that I will agree on, however. MAYBE routines aren't for me. Some people just weren't born for certain things. Maybe the use of routines just don't work for me. Not all wands fit all wizards. However, i'd like to try routines a bit more before I give up on them (especially since all the logical points that I've shown here support this decision).

(5) After the conversation becomes full-blown and she hooks, I switch to improv, natural conversation. So i'm not using routines for the entire pickup, but just to (1) hook the set and (2) to get into a full blown conversation.

I'll grant, I haven't seen any of Mystery's infield videos, nor Style. However, I imagine their "routine stack" is at least full of related material. I know Sinn's was and he was one of Mystery's instructors.

Even if you must use routines, at least create a "stack" that flows. Going from neutella to adoption to whatever the third thing was in 40 seconds is just bizarre.

It does not work as a disqualifier. I can assure you, that girl did not think "shit, I must prove myself to this guy". She thought "WTF is the deal of that retard, first he annoys me with his shit story and then he insults me? Go die, man!". Which, admittedly, is a kind of human and normal reaction.

Quit the negging altogether, for real. A neg is something you use on 8.5/9s, since they are sure enough of themselves to know how to take it. Also, you should be "getting along" with her or the group first, so it is CLEAR it is being a bit of a pun and not just ofensive. You are just coming over as awkward and ofensive by doing that.

You sound as if you have read the Mystery Method and taken it WAY too literally. Right now, the story from the girls POV is more like "wtf so I was sitting there chilling and there was this guy with freaking SPY GLASSES who came over to me and asked me the grossest questions about nutella and shit". Don't get me wrong, Mystery is a fucking legend, and having a couple of prepackaged lines can help you if you get stuck at some point during a conversation, but they should be an aid, not something you use to shape your interaction. All that stuff you said about "I HAVE to use lines because if not I cannot hook the set" etc. etc... THAT is your problem. Work on that. Crash and burn until you actually are good enough to come up with good conversations.

I admire your dedication, you have balls. Change your game to a more natural style and you can make it. A confident "hey, what's up, I am XYZ" can go a long way, way longer than any precanned opener. A cool guy who wants to have a proper conversation, that is who you want to be.

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You still need to fix the tonality.

Anyway, I don't know why you think not just giving her your number makes sense. Just give it to her. Delaying it doesn't make it seem "less desperate" it makes it seem like you're scared of giving her your number.

Why are you using awkward routines on guys? Like the first guy. You pretend to know him. Why not just say hi and introduce yourself. Rather than pretend you know him?

No matter how socially awkward you are, I just don't see how these routines are helping. If you must do routines, can you at least work on delivery? It's sooo deadpan. And the routines themselves are fact and information based. If you must use routines, look for ones that evoke emotions. Positive emotions. Not this "imagine you're adopted" stuff. At least something funny, or interesting.

well i didnt read everyone elses stuff but heres my observations.

group 1: nice vocal projection, good confidence. just open to the guy instead of both, if you focus on the guy, he will focus on you in return and then the girl is left out. so she will try to get back in by talking to you, if she doesnt, ask her opinion after the guy responds.

group 2: she seemed nice and responsive to you which is good. she laughed at your opener but i think it was kind of awkward how you used another opener after that. "hey what if nutella is..." "hey what if you are..."
it would feel more natural if you said "hey what if nutella is...blah blah, yeah im Boris by the way, what do you study?"

dont worry about being bad at game, i remember i was crap at holding a conversation, so i used to sit in the bus and have internal conversations with myself and try to make it funny. i would come up with great routines that are congruent with me because i made them and they made me laugh

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Build trust and comfort by holding their hands and covertly rubbing your elbows on their nipples.