I just was on a day 2 and after a lot of rejections -- I seen this girl and I Feel I did a lot better. I acted more relaxed and normal -- the only thing I didn't do was qualify her build more of a connection and kiss her. I didn't have much time and at the end she was in a hurry. I felt that if I kissed her she'd resist me. I didn't want to jepeodize everything, when I could do all of that the next time. I did ask about her passion and her dreams and I did the cube with cold reading and etc.

I was more calm, I made her laugh A LOT, I DHV'ed slightly without bragging -- although I did ask her for difections since I didn't know what part of town I was in. I did put my arm around her arm and joke that we're pirates -- I was fun and energetic -- I don't think I was a dancing monkey. But I feel better about myself, like I'm more relaxed around girls.

I texted her 30 mins after leaving: "Dude why didn't you tell me I had pixza sauce on my lips. Weak" (we are pizza) Her: I didn't notice.. sorry? lol me: I knew you were trouble, ha her:

So since I established rapport with her. When should I call her to say arrange a day 3? Tomorrow or wait 2 days?

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I don't want to come off as needy or bugging her. Mainly what I want to know is when to contact her again to set up the next day. When's the right time

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There is no "right time", and there is no simple answer to your question. It's all about what impression you give her. As long as you are congruent and she thinks you are funny and interesting you can call her whenever you like. She may be longing for your call, in which case it's plain dumb to wait too long. But you should know if she is.

Since most of the pickup skill lies in reading people (figure out how she feels about you at any given moment), I would say it's up to you to "know" what impression you gave her, and from that knowledge derive how she will react if you call her. Did she laugh at your jokes because they were actually funny, or because she was attracted to you (in which case she would laugh at anything), or of sheer nervousness and politeness? Did she find you interesting as a person? Does she want to meet you again, or are you just stalking her? Note that these are rhetorical questions that you should ask yourself.

Anyway... If you don't know where you stand with this girl, my tip is that you have a very concrete proposal for a date the next time you call her. Don't call her "just to talk" or ask "do you want to do SOMETHING" (very vague). Make this "date" something that she will enjoy, and make sure she feels comfortable. Maybe you should bring her to a party where she can bring her friends too, just to feel comfortable going there (if she is young and not yet independent enough, usually younger than 25). I would recommend you to wait until there actually is something to invite her to. But if it takes too long (more than a week) I would make something up.

A bit of background on her, she's a bartender. I texted her today saying, "Hey call me when you're free" haven't gotten a response yet. My skills in determining what's going on may be a bit slurred. Since I didn't kiss her or do TOO much kino (I did do high fives and brief arm to arm holding) she may have gotten the just friends nice guy vibe.

I'm not like blowing up her phone with texts, I don't want to be that guy, I'm not fascinated by her, I want to get to know her and learn about myself and what I did right. **While talking to her I briefly invited her to come to the top of a building with me in the city and she said sure, in an upbeat way but maybe that was just for the moment. I thought I did a good job but maybe me not escalating is where I messed up, I felt like she wasn't ready.

When doing the cube she said her horse was tan meaning she liked Tan guys (I'm tanned) so I joked with her and said how long has she been attracted to me and she laughed but didn't deny it. When we left she hugged me tight and said I'll see you later love but was in a rush and her body language showed she didn't wang to be kissed.

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I texted her 3hrs ago and she didn't respond, I'm sure if she really was into me I wouldn't hv to squeeze my way in the door and all that, it should come natural. But she does have a tendency to wait long maybe cause she's at work. If she doesn't reply I should do what?

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Not really surprised by this. She came out on a day 2 with a guy that obviously she decided was worth a chance after (as you said) some rejections, and you didn't even attempt to kiss her? She's gonna be thinking one of two things or both, 1) I guess he just wants to be friends. Or 2) He didn't have the confidence to try and kiss me. My guess here it's the latter as you're clearly showing interest by asking her to call you when she's free, essentially saying that you're gonna wait around for her to call and she has all the control over what happens next.

My ex once told me that if I hadn't kissed her on the first date, we'd have never seen each other again because she'd have decided on those 2 points I mentioned above, we got into a discussion about it (like have her friends ever come across the same) and she said outright that ALL of her friends had been out with guys that didn't even attempt to kiss them, when in fact, even though they weren't even that interested initially, if the guy had the confidence to just say "fuck it" and go for it, they'd have not only reciprocated but even changed their opinion of said guy (she then cited a few examples of when it's happened to her and another friend).

To summarise, you played it safe and have wound up scratching your head wondering why you haven't got the second chance. Instead of taking the chance in the first place and potentially succeeding. If she was gonna kiss you, why wouldn't she do it there on that first date, as opposed to after a few days/weeks of texting? If she was ever gonna kiss you, it would've been then, sometimes if you can't tell whether or not she's ready, you just have to go for it and find out for sure. In my opinion though, if she's agreeing in an upbeat way to come to the top of a building with you, she must've liked you and that upbeat agreement right there should have been enough of a signal to say to you that she's interested enough to kiss you.

As for where to go from here, I wouldn't contact her for a few days to a week, if she re-opens then great, if not try one more re-opening (not asking her out) and if that bombs move on.

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This really helped -- props man. I met her from okc. To myself I'm just thinking maybe its because I wasn't attractive or this or that... Could that hv been it? I'd feel a lot better about it being because I didn't kiss her, that I can learn.

Here's my question:

1) How do I bring up kissing or go for it. Say we're having a general convo, how do I go into it? Inform me on what I'm missing.
(I know it has to be in a secluded area, when should it take place?)
2) *How can I build sexual tension and give her an emotion rush so that I CAN kiss her. To be more direct with her.
3) How do I continue contact after meeting her? Text or contact the next day?
4) Is it ok to hold hands with her for a long time or should it be brief?

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I think it is partly for not kissing her, and partly other things. I wasn't there so obviously can't say for sure, but I would guess coupled with the lack of kissing there was a lack of escalation and flirtatiousness, which perhaps would have made the date less memorable/fun for her.

Anyway your questions (remember this is only MY opinion, other guys may have a different one and be just as good or better)
1) This is about calibration. For example if you are sat next to each other on a couch in a coffee shop/bar or something, you have a moment where you both kinda just pause and look at each other, that's perfect to just go and lean in. Otherwise there's a number of things you can do; play a game you know you'll win (thumb war or something) and say "if you win I have to kiss you, if I win you have to kiss me" or some shit like that, there's the Mystery K-close. If you're having a 'normal' conversation about where she's from or how much she loves puppies or whatever, then obviously pick a better spot.

2) For me there are 2 keys to this part. Kino escalation and solid eye contact. For kino it's just simply starting small and working your way up; lightly touching arm/shoulder when emphasising a point, hand holding, moving up to putting your arm around her shoulders/waist etc. The point is, breaking that touch barrier. Eye contact builds sexual tension, especially if your faces are close/near touching. You should be looking into her eyes and not down her top anyway, but if you're 'preparing' for the kiss and just want to gauge her thoughts a little, solid eye contact can be a good way, if she's looking away constantly as you're holding eye contact, then maybe it's not as on as we'd hope, if she's matching you with it though or at least not making every effort to avoid it, you're probably good to go.

3) This depends on how the interaction goes. If it goes really well (like as you're leaving you're smooching her and she doesn't really want to leave and is all excited saying she can't wait to see you again) then text her whenever you want just saying you had a great time etc and make plans to see her again. If it's not so good, then hold off a bit, give her space then re-initiate casually and re-ignite her interest a little by being the witty and charming mother fucker that you are.

4) Hand holding is fine, it can be a nice way to bring about the kiss or make her feel more comfortable with you to come out on another date.

The main thing is though man, do what you wanna do. If you wanna hold her hand, just fucking grab it. If you wanna kiss her, go for it. If you wanna say to her "Your voice is actually giving me a boner right now, no joke" then fuck it, who cares. This is an attitude I'm trying to encompass more and more; and the more I do, the better life in general is getting.

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