pivoting from one of her friends is actually impossible. she doesnt have any other friends except for 3 girls. but theres a problem with each.

friend 1- most annoying person in the world. i know it sounds mean and that im exaggerating, but i cant stand her. the voice, the jokes, the looks, just everything. and if she even did see me trying to pivot her, she'd be like 'what the fuck is he doing? what a dumbass.' along with everyone else at the party.

friend 2- shes a cool chick, not really attractive but definately her best friend. problem being, she plays hockey like a league before the proffesional level so she spends all of her time training and playing the game. Thus, she is never out on the weekend ever.

friend 3- our most mutual friend. i used her as a pivot to get to my ex-target, but she eventually got the picture. problem here? cant really flirt with her too easily. she knows me too well so it would be kind of weird. and if that isnt a good enough reason (which i dont think it is), my best friend is dating her at the moment and they have been going out for a while. sure i could have a bit of fun with her, (playful flirting kinda thing), but the ex-target wouldnt be affected by it much i dont think.

so thats it pretty much. those a literally her only 3 friends, and i cant really work with any of them. so now i also find out she might be coming to this big party tomoro. fuck. i didnt want to see her at all this weekend, so the plan is to make absolutely no contact with her, with the exception of a greeting if it comes up. however, im comfortable with picking a new target out (plenty of girls tomoro that i havent met before) and using them against her.

its funny though. everything about her is just all starting to unravel. i was checking out some of the other threads about how to get over one-itis and i do recall seeing something about picking out all of the persons flaws. well i though about it and i started picking them out of her, and i actually didnt realise that a lot of them had made me mad at the time (mainly the initiative thing), but i had just blocked them out of my head because i was so hung up on her. so i keep finding all this other stuff, and i realise that this wasnt who i fell for at all. on the surface she was an untapped resource (which she essentially was), and thats what i liked about her so much, the fact that she never went out at all and she was more the quieter type, which seemed like a very easy target to me and i thought that it wouldnt be a problem changing her. well theres all this other shit now that just makes me say "what the fuck? why the hell would she do that?". anywho sorry to take your guys's time on that last bit, i just felt like i had to say it. just the fact that she wasnt at all what i thought she was and i didnt realise it till after....

-MOSPHERE

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Your one-itis is usually not what you have built up in your own mind. That's the whole thing about them.

Also, I'm not telling you to GAME the girls if you use them as pivots. Not at all. You DON'T do that in this case. You don't flirt with them at all. They are STRICTLY for the social proof. Period.

im sorry i dont quite get the first part. do you mean that my one-itis is just mostly all in my head with me getting myself worked up about her?

for pivoting though to spark jealousy and prove im independent from her and that she cant take me for granted, is that where social proof comes in? i was never intending on gaming the girls mentioned above. but could you please elaborate and explain why not for this and for future refrence?

as for social proof:

"The concept that when you are seen with other women (or keeping a crowd entertained) your social status is raised in the eyes of HBs in the near vicinity. Other forms of display can be seen as social proof (chummy with everyone at a certain place, at ease in your environment, etc.)"

-now how does hanging around her friends buy me social proof infront of her? unless im trying to use them as social proof for other targets?

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Yes, we build a fantasy around our one-itis, thinking she's all this and all that and near perfect. In reality, our one-itis is human, just like we are. But, in the fantasy, she's not, which is WHY she's a one-itis to begin with.

Here's the deal with social proof. If you are alone, you have to IMMEDIATELY talk to someone, open a set, to gain social proof. If you walk in with one male friend, you have SOME social proof right off the bat. If you walk in with one female, you have slightly more social proof, PLUS preselection. If you walk in with two male friends, you have slightly more social proof. If you walk in with two females you have even more social proof, PLUS more preselection.

Now, with you using those two girls as pivots, that gives you automatic social proof and preselection. You can use this to game virtually any other woman in your vicinity. Whether they are already your friend or you don't know them, that doesn't matter.

okay first peice of advice lose the oneitis

but if you must
heres what I do Id follow what thugnificent said and abondan her for a while build up your social proof change your clothing style change your look and learn some more game if you really need too you can ask one of her friends out and make her play the jelousy card if you do this correctly and you can completley change her outlook on you im not saying get a mohawk or go complete black a few subtle changes goes along way build up your social proof around her like her social circle everyone will be talking about you and shell despratley want to meet you then you could even introduce her to other girls that you meet show her you can ge any girl you want

when you do meet it will be like old friends meeting again and she will hold a general opinion of you which youll then crush kino your ass off and take her on a social event like dance then a dance and show her your social proof kino dhv and maybe somthing will hapen

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I actually think that both your replies would work. however in order for the double pivot to work you better be very tight in your game if you blow a few sets you might lose both there attention, where as playing em off each other seems like it would be easier. I also believe that your pivot should be hot! if she isn't great looking or at least really excepted amongst the friends your social proof can go down as easy as it goes up. Think of going to the dance with the most picked on girl in the school, bad for the rep. ah last night was good times I have a really good pivot she is a 9 and is great, I did a number close in two min without even trying, sweet hope everyones friday was good times

-asking her friends out isnt an option what so ever, just take a peak at my last post to find out why.

-for my style? i dont mean to sound like im bragging or anything, but i already do have a pretty solid style going. I consider myself very well groomed, and make sure that i try to look my best (spotless white shoes, styled hair, nice outfit, taking everything into consideration). even before i knew about the game and the concepts of peacocking, etc. i had that already going for me. so for style i dont think i have to worry about a thing, not to mention i get quite a few compliments for girls as well as guys about it too.

ill give you guys a little field report about tonight later, but feel free to add anything else to the conversation.....

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alright guys, things went down as planned, but im going to lay down the story. please keep in mind that it really wasnt my intention to be gaming it up last night, because my new target wasnt able to come out, so i ended up drinking with my mates and had a great time. so ill try to keep it basic:

-arrive early with 2 ladyfriends to help organize things and get stuff ready for the party, when we get there, theres like 10 people at his place already.

-people begin pouring into his house, all of whom i am friends with

-having, fun, mingling and ton, starting to become the center of attention through playing drinking games, and story telling, and joke, etc.

-ex-target shows up, with her only 3 friends, i greet them and when it comes to her, i just causually say "hey" as i pass her by and leave it at that.

-later, im talking to our good mutual friend, and out of nowhere the ex-target comes up and butts into our conversation. the ex-target sort of whispers to me "she has had too much to drink" referring to her friend. i didnt really care at all if she did or not, but she approached and i barely gave a response and just moved on right after.

-I host a drinking game with a good number of girls and manage to keep them all laughing and entertained for a while. and it just so happens (this was actually unintentional) that the ex-target is on the other side of the table from where we are playing, and we end up making brief eye contact from time to time.

-for the whole party the ex-target just hung out with her one other friend and didnt even bother talking to anyone else, which doesnt suprize me.

HOWEVER, it looks like the whole distancing idea worked just fine. apparantly she kept complaining to her friend saying: "He makes it so obvious that hes ignoring me." now what kind of makes me think here is that if it actually didnt bother her at all, then she probably would have only said it once and let things be. but the fact that she kept complaining about it shows that she does yes?

-anywho at the end of the night when the cops come, i have a brief run-in with her and couldnt hear a word she was saying cause it was so loud, so i just told her i couldnt hear her and i had to go.

I have come this far, and it looks like she is affected. So, now what to do? do i keep ignoring her like ive been doing and drive her crazy with it?

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If she was that affected by it, then give her a quick phone call and have her to meet up with you somewhere.

im screwed for that at the moment. ill have to catch her tomorow at school when we go for a bite to eat i guess. how should i act around her now? like shes got the picture of whats going on now

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Just keep gaming her. Build comfort, attraction, and kino.

should i still stick with ignoring her for the next little while but slowly start to open up to her again? her friend told her i just need my space at the moment or something along the lines of that

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As I said . . . build comfort, attraction, and kino. If you want her, and you've already affected her, follow this.

alright sounds good, i think its about time this thread has died down, its gone on for quite a while. thanks for all the help guys, i really appreciate it. Cheers!

-Mosphere

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