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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:42 am 
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If its during the day and you get an instant date, I think its pretty much your obligation to pay for her drink because you have pretty much offered to take her for coffee.
This. It's situational.

Sometimes you'll have to buy her a drink and maybe some cookies to isolate her and then bounce her to the f-place. But if you frame buying her a drink as a bribe, things can go wrong very fast.

Spending should also be within the comfort level of your target's demographics. Say, you bounce her to the church, grocery, and then your place, getting her a $10 wine when she's not used to that gives off the wrong signal and fucks up your f-close.

When a girl qualifies herself to you saying she's a great cook and would want to cook you a meal, you either get a $1 soda or a $10 wine depending on the social status of the girl when you're bouncing her over a few places then to your place to cook you a meal. Spend beyond what she's used to, then you sarge yourself out of the f-close. Spend lower than what she's used to, then you're also fucked up.

But when a girl demands, "Buy me a drink." That's a shit test. It's game on. Buying her a drink in this case, kills of any small measure of sexual attraction really fast.

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Why should a guy have to drop to their level to impress or score points, simply getting her a drink no matter how cheap or expensive should be taken with respect and not judged as per what you buy her.
You should be able to be yourself and for her to see that, if she judges you based on what drink you get her then shes not worth knowing shes a right snob.

Theres this mentality out there that its the guys role to do most of the work which is true to an extent, for example making the first move and chatting her up get the number or kiss close etc etc.
But something you shouldn't always stick your hand up for is doing things or paying for things to suit her, ok you will keep her happy in the short run " ohh he gave me money when I ran out during the week " but in the back of her mind she knows shes got you whipped.
In other words shes in control over you, if you wanted it to work in a relationship sense this would need to be a 50/50 thing with both having the same power and structure.
But anyway we are leading off topic abit, this has been a good conversation because everyone has different views of it and also different cultures and areas of the world have different behaviour of women.

This weekend I have a singles party thing to go to and I am going to not buy the girl I hook up with any drinks and see what results I get regardless.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:20 am 
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You open a girl. If you are an interesting normal person, you are able to sustain a conversation for a few minutes without worrying about when/if you should buy a drink. If you get the urge to have a drink, you say "I'm getting a beer, what do you want?" Buy the first round of drinks. Not a big deal. After that, just buy your own when you have the urge to drink again. If she says something to the effect of "Buy me another" or "I need another", say "Ok you get this round" Just be congruent and normal and you won't even worry about this shit.


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If its during the day and you get an instant date, I think its pretty much your obligation to pay for her drink because you have pretty much offered to take her for coffee.
This. It's situational.

Sometimes you'll have to buy her a drink and maybe some cookies to isolate her and then bounce her to the f-place. But if you frame buying her a drink as a bribe, things can go wrong very fast.

Spending should also be within the comfort level of your target's demographics. Say, you bounce her to the church, grocery, and then your place, getting her a $10 wine when she's not used to that gives off the wrong signal and fucks up your f-close.

When a girl qualifies herself to you saying she's a great cook and would want to cook you a meal, you either get a $1 soda or a $10 wine depending on the social status of the girl when you're bouncing her over a few places then to your place to cook you a meal. Spend beyond what she's used to, then you sarge yourself out of the f-close. Spend lower than what she's used to, then you're also fucked up.

But when a girl demands, "Buy me a drink." That's a shit test. It's game on. Buying her a drink in this case, kills of any small measure of sexual attraction really fast.

:twisted:
Why should a guy have to drop to their level to impress or score points, simply getting her a drink no matter how cheap or expensive should be taken with respect and not judged as per what you buy her.
You should be able to be yourself and for her to see that, if she judges you based on what drink you get her then shes not worth knowing shes a right snob.

Theres this mentality out there that its the guys role to do most of the work which is true to an extent, for example making the first move and chatting her up get the number or kiss close etc etc.
But something you shouldn't always stick your hand up for is doing things or paying for things to suit her, ok you will keep her happy in the short run " ohh he gave me money when I ran out during the week " but in the back of her mind she knows shes got you whipped.
In other words shes in control over you, if you wanted it to work in a relationship sense this would need to be a 50/50 thing with both having the same power and structure.
But anyway we are leading off topic abit, this has been a good conversation because everyone has different views of it and also different cultures and areas of the world have different behaviour of women.

This weekend I have a singles party thing to go to and I am going to not buy the girl I hook up with any drinks and see what results I get regardless.
I posted an opinion based on field experience. It is not something theoretical. Spending according to your demographic's comfort level is what I call propinquity spending. Buying drinks and meals are routine day to day activities.

However, there are wrong moves that you can do out on field that will affect your f-close.

For instance, when you have isolated a girl with a master's degree or Ph.D., a lawyer, an accountant, a nurse or a doctor getting her the cheapest soda when she volunteers to cook dinner for you will mess up your f-close. I'm not saying this in a theoretical way. It's just the way it is.

Now, this would be different when you're hanging out with an 18 year old college student. If she comes from a not so well off family, getting her that $4 Starbucks coffee and $5 cake will mess up your f-close. You will do better if you bounce her over to the street corner to get some street food.

Again, this isn't theoretical. It's just the way it is as it happens out on field.

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So you're saying if she's rich, get her something expensive... But if she's poor, get her something cheap?


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:37 am 
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He's saying that if shes rich high payed job etc, then you should step up to her level and buy more expensive things and if shes in poorer situation you should do the same.
Which to me to this day is still not right, if she likes you for your financial situation then she aint worth knowing.
In the buying drinks situation I am not sure what its like elsewhere in the world but here drinks are expensive anyway and a lot of people are going through tough times because of the economy etc, so a lot of girls don't really give a crap what drink you get them whether its a $7.00 beer or an $11.00 vodka.
They like the fact you have got them a drink and don't look apon the price tag, even the really nice girls.


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So you're saying if she's rich, get her something expensive... But if she's poor, get her something cheap?
Nah. You're framing it all wrong.

It's like this: if you want to f-close nurses and doctors, hang out around the hospital canteen or restaurants near a hospital. The food and drinks might be more expensive (and usually of higher quality) than the canteens or restaurants around a university but your chances for laying nurses or doctors are higher this way than when you hang out around the university.

So if you want to isolate a nurse for an insta date, you can go something like, "Let's grab some juice at the (hospital) canteen and tell me more about your story."

If you want to isolate a college student from a university where not so well off students go to, you can go something like, "Let's grab some beers and hang out at the beach," or "Let's grab some kwek-kwek at the street corner."

In short, you're often sarging yourself out of the f-close if you got a girl Absolut vodka when she's used to GSM Blue or vice versa.

If you want to know the reason why this works most of the time out on field, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propinquity

Of course, isolation bounce techniques are very much different from a "Buy me a drink" shit test.

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That's a good read. But it appears propinquity only deals with the aspect of probability of encounter. The study found that people are more likely to form bonds with people on their own floor, and people living near the staircase are more likely to form bonds with people from different floors. This speaks of simple exposure and probability... Which is logical. So if you're hanging around a place that has mostly nurses and doctors for happy hour, then yes I sure hope you have higher chances of landing a nurse or doctor.

But that doesn't address the drinks issue. I can hang around the nurse and doctor hangout to increase my chances according to propinquity, but I don't see how my odds diminish if I offer her a drink she's not used to having. What if I offer her a cocktail she's never had before, that's different from what other guys offer her? Isn't that a form of peacocking?


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You're mixing up the isolation bounce with the shit test.

When a girl gives you the "Buy me a drink" shit test, it's game over when you do because you're an easy kill. In seduction, the girls are the hunters; not men. It sends the signal that girls can walk all over you and you're not a really good enough challenge.

If you frame yourself as the challenge and make girls qualify themselves to you while making them horny, you can go ahead with the isolation bounce and buy them a drink. In this stage, buying a girl a drink that the girl is familiar with sends the signal that, "It's like I've known this guy for years. I think it's okay to ride his cock."

If you're already banging her on the regular, buying her a more expensive drink or a cheaper one as a reward or for the novelty of the moment will have no dire consequences.

Again, it's situational. Sarge more out on field and everything will fall into place instead of over analyzing these things.

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I sometimes tell them that I will take this one, you take the next round. Otherwise I don't, unless I've already laid her. Then you can do whatever


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