So I think I found one of the root of my problems and that's good ol AA. Things to note about me, I'm not the kind of guy that just goes up and gives ones name openly. Personally I don't know anyone who does that around here. It's cheesy IMO. As a beginning subject, why would or should she care? I can however see an introduction coming in after a few lines of verbal conversation which is why I'd rather start off with a subject either situational or something I have pre thought that I think she can relate to. One problem is, what's the best way to form that subject and fast and how do I practice (thinking on your feet if you will)? What's my thought process? What are my last resorts if I just cant find something interesting? I'm not one for prewritten lines either cause nothing in the game is ever constant. So if I'm going to form an opener, I need to be able to form one out of the blue.

The greater step in all this would be to of course focus to one women in a group and keep the group members interested enough to not claw out your eyes and make you look stupid in front of the girl you're tryin to halla at.

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first of all your right about introduction first, you don;t introduce yourself first, you open her up first, intro comes later after like 2-5 min conversation about your opener, what i learned from juggler's book is go to where her focus is and be there before her and hijack it there, so if shes looking at some weird statue in a store, i would think you would say something about that, also you have to talk to the whole 3 set before you can single out one girl, one way i learned to talk to the whole set is to after you open you ask "so how do you guys all know each other?" this comes a little later though, i know this is easier said than done, and im training at this, but just do trial and error in the field, try every time you go out approach 5 women a day and open them ( waitresses and workers don't count because they get paid to be nice to you or they can get fired ), just doing that for the main part, a open im trying is "oh, hey guys my cousins birthday is coming up in a few weeks and im looking for a good gift for him, what can you guys recommend?" (make sure you do the double look like the guy on MM said before saying that) hoped this helped