I have seen people mention things like A2 or C1...what does all this stand for. Could someone list it out for me...idk if they so much have to be described, just wana know what they stand for and how many/what they all are.

Thanks guys
(Sorry this is real newbie but i musta been absent that day of class)

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I followed it and tried common acronyms but found nothing, its hard to follow a link or something when your not sure what your looking for. Thanks for trying to help out tho, but i feel like a moron, maybe im just tired from a rough week at work, but i probably need this one spelled out for me.

You're talking about A1, A2, A3, C1, C2, C3. I don't know if there are more, but I believe that is the M3 method. It basically breaks Attraction and Comfort down into stages 1, 2 and 3.

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Sweet ty, yes thats what i was talking about. Never heard of M3 method, did BMW come up with it?

Ill look into it thanks for the heads up.

My intention were that you would spend some time looking at that page. It teaches a lot in a short amount of verbiage.

M3 is Mystery's model.

Click on the link called - Outer Game

In addition to A1-A3, C1-C3, there is also S1-S3

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Thanks Valence, yea you told me to follow the link in your sig but didnt elaborate on what to do after. I went to the acronyms and poked around a few other plases but could not find anything pertinent. Thanks for adding some directions ill check it out, on my way out for the day but when i get back ill read up.

What does S1-3 stand for?

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Valence, no offense bro, as a fellow PUA, but I've noticed you like to take the extreme shortcut on MOST of your answers to help others. You want to take the easy way out, when they really need more help than that.

A1, A2, A3 = Attraction 1,2, and 3
C1, C2, C3 = Comfort 1,2, and 3
S1, S2, S3 = Seduction 1,2, and 3

I think sometimes it is good to give a quick answer with just the link with where the info is, because your making them work and take time to find their answer (That was, because of their laziness, the problem in the first place)

If you give them a full answer they will not change and they will not learn to search. Whenever they have a problem they will post, How do I get woman into bed... and they will expect an answer, instead of searching and learning like everyone else did.

*Note: I'm glad that we are helping each other, and that sometimes it is good to give a complete answer but I can see both point of views as correct.

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Oh, I do agree they need to learn to use the search function, but they also usually need just a "little" bit more explanation too. Sometimes, things aren't always user friendly, you know?

I agree to an extent, but there are times when someone does need a bit of an exact answer and you have to expound a bit.

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The only reason that I answer any question is that I feel I owe something back to the board. When I first got interested in 'Social Dynamics' I spent the first two months reading every post and going out into the field and practicing. The next six or so months, all I did was practice. I made some big mistakes and made myself look like an ass but I plowed ahead. Now, even if I do not do everything correctly, I recognize what I should have done and have become extremely successful with it.

This is all because of practice and determination. After a few hundred sets, it becomes second nature.

Except now, no one wants to do that. They all have this one girl that they are pining after and want to know how to get her. I had one also, which turned out to be a big mess, but I did not start with her. I knew that I had one chance to get it right so I practiced on others.

These people do not realize that even if they get enough help to 'get' the girl, they will scare them away because they are still AFC. There are people that ask the same type of question about every single girl they interact with. They have only read The Game and they think it will help them. I read The Game only after I had met the author and Mystery. It was a great book but will not help at all with girls. XFman's website was what put it all together for me which is why I pimp it for him.

Everyone needs to realize that there is an art form to all of this. There is no quick fix or quick solution. The questions are generally not even, "so this is what I did last night when I went sarging". I would much rather answer those questions than "I met this girl, she did this, what do I do next?"

So giving someone a URL that not only contains their direct answer, but has much more information that the can benefit from, is more meaningful and will benefit them more in the long run. You two, Rye and L.A. would do the person a much greater justice by making them think and responding to what they come up with, instead of spoon feeding them a specific set of actions that only apply to the specific situation.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach him how to fish and he can eat forever. Or some such crap.

And by the way, I do not consider myself to be a PUA. Not even close. To try to give myself that title after the short amount of time I have been involved with 'social dynamics' would do a disservice to the ones that have spent a much greater amount of time 'practicing'. This is even after I almost always direct open, never run routines, and am 100% honest in everything I say. I did when I first started though.

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I don't think that most of the answers I give are useful only in the one specific instance. I try to use broad enough terms and then link it to that specific case, or talk about that specific case and then say how it can be applied elsewhere, because you are right, people don't think enough if you just spoon feed it all to them. But if you give them the theory behind what they are doing, then hopefully they will figure it out and be able to apply it elsewhere.

I've said it before and I'll say it again I'm sure; the main reason I post so much and such big explainations is because by helping others I get to think about how I would approach the situation myself and then when I do, I already know what I'm gonna do. Its like running more sets every day vicariously, just by answering questions on here.

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Valence . . .

"check my link. The answer is there"

I'm sorry, but a person checking that link, sure they CAN learn more, but most people are not going to take the time AT THAT MOMENT to learn all the other details that they need to know to learn the game. By looking at that link, they have NO IDEA where to go after that link to find the answer they are looking for AT THAT MOMENT. Not everyone is going to sit down and study for months or even weeks BEFORE they start practicing, or even start just talking to girls. Most people are going to start diving into the material AFTER they hit snags. So, then, they need an answer to that specific situation right then and there, and guess what, THAT person then learns how to handle THAT specific situation. So, THAT person IS helped.

That's all I was saying. Just sending them to the link with not even an explanation of where to go from that link to find their specific answer just won't help most people. They just don't have hours to sit around and look for exactly what they are asking for at that moment.