Hi all,

Haven't been on here for awhile. I was out practising "picking up", I had been waiting for the snow to melt and once it was gone I went full throttle into the clubscene. And being a rock guy, I hated every second of every dance club I went to.

Originally, I was prepared to change up my fashion a little, and try hanging with people who go to clubs. I did this, and even had success with getting numbers and generating interest. But I didn't feel like I was being who I really am. The image I was projecting was not congruent with my own beliefs and value system.
I have decided to never set foot in a dance club again. I don't like the music, the SPAM and a lot of the people.

I think I will now focus on being more of an alpha male. Before, I was reading mystery method stuff and some stuff by bradp and I thought the "game" was all about going into a club, all "pimped out" and then having the biggest personality of everyone and being super high energy. I did this and it mostly worked. But, I'm short. Five foot five. The club game seemed to favour the taller people more than the short. At the club it seemed to be mostly about looks. Tallness is better looking and I kept getting trumped by tall dudes.

Now, since I cannot change my height I am going at things from a different angle. I have been reading about alpha males a lot and I think by acquiring more alpha male traits I will have way more success. Women don't necessarily care about appearances as much as men and I think just "being a man" counts for a lot...

So what makes a man? Or better yet, an alpha man? This is my new quest. I think that as long as a man can provide safety, security, food, love and pleasure that women will be attracted regardless of height.

What are some of the traits of an alpha male? Here are a few I've come up with:

confident body language
slow, clear, deliberate speaking
strong eye contact
ability to handle stress calmly
braveness
confidence
doesn't put women on a pedestal
says no without any problem
stands by his decisions.

I'm looking for more traits if anyone has any to offer.

I think just walking up to women and possessing some of the above list will give everyone a great advantage over a great deal of the men out there. I would much rather get women by being an alpha male than by "peacocking" and going to a dance club and asking women their opinion on things....

You could save yourself a lot of time, effort, struggle and emotional stress if instead of trying to backward-deconstruct what makes an "alpha male," you worked on the internal beliefs and sense of reality that cause the traits you described in your post.

All of the things you listed are just by-products of a larger, over-riding perspective that comes from knowing yourself and always being true to your core values. This is the epicenter from which confidence will radiate out of you like a fucking nuclear reactor--all you have to do is find it.

There's no need to reverse-engineer everything and re-invent the wheel when there is a perfectly good wheel inside of you from the get-go. Concentrate on finding it

Your boy,
870

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Thanks for the advice bro, but I am not really trying to backward-deconstruct or reverse-engineer anything at all. What exactly do you mean when you use the phrase "reverse-engineer" anyway? I don't think that term even applies here. Could you be more specific as to what that actually means and correct me if I am wrong in thinking that you are using the phrase out of context? I only put in some history of my prior endeavours so people will know that I have actually tried "the game" in certain aspects, and not in an effort to backward-deconstruct anything at all.

With this thread I am trying to compile a list of alpha male characteristics that myself, and other newbies might be able to refer to for quick reference.

I am sure others, myself included, could use a reminder once in awhile as to what makes a man a man. I was raised by women, and was taught to be REAL nice and basically kiss their butts. I didn't realise that this is actually exactly what turns women off. They want you to be nice and cordial as their boyfriends, but initially this will turn them off. They want to be approached by MEN. Being raised by women, I was not really sure of what this meant, to be a man, until I started reading about alpha males. I realised how "gay" I had been in previous years. I would do ANYTHING for women; take them shopping, watch "chick flicks", let them dress me in what they thought looked good. I thought this would get me laid, but it only helped me to make lots of female, platonic, friends.

Only recently, when I started being more assertive and more "alpha-like" have I seen more IOI's than ever before.

I am NOT trying to save time, or put in a minimal amount of effort when it comes to becoming a man.

You say, 870, to work on the "internal beliefs and sense of reality that cause the traits I described" and this is excellent advice. Part of being an alpha male, in my opinion, is doing just what you recommend. Knowing myself and being true to my core values are also excellent alpha male traits. You are right about this being the epicenter from which confidence radiates. And with this thread I have started, I am beginning to do what you say and "find it".

I simply thought it would be helpful to compile a list of general alpha male traits. Perhaps I am not the only that could benefit from such a list. For example, before I learned about being an alpha male, I would put women up on a pedestal. I saw them as the prize, whereas an alpha male looks at HIMSELF as the prize. This is the angle I was going for when starting this post. In the past, I never realised that my tendency to be fidgety was a negative trait, I simply never thought of it at all. Another trait of an alpha male is to have a comfortable, relaxed posture. I learned this and stopped fidgeting. This is the angle from which I started this post, so guys like me, who have a few traits that might need working on, might have a point of reference and be able to say: "oh yeah, I do that and it IS kind of lame". Some guys need all the help they can get.

So, returning to the topic at hand, does anyone else know any good and helpful alpha male characteristics which can be used effectively in order to communicate to women that you are the type of man that can take care of them and show them a good time?

Here are some more traits to consider acquiring, should you feel the need to become more alpha:

stop fidgeting
keep hands hanging at your side, not in pockets, or crossed across your chest
eyes above the horizon, never look down.
be able to have an interesting opinion on every topic
have your goals clearly outlined and be working towards them

Anymore suggestions would be appreciated...

MetalPUA I see what you say. I see so much of myself in what you are trying to explain here. At least the way I used to be. Yes, we are taught to kiss butt, everyone loves a loser since he gives away what power he has.
Remember that your parents taught you to be nice because they were afraid that you would grow up to become an asshole. But it backfired because they forgot that in order to be an asshole, you need to have power.

Anyway, listen to what 870 says. It is good solid advice that will save you a lot of pain and time.

It is much much more difficult to fake confidence than to get it. Work on accepting yourself, likeing yourself, respecting yourself. Thats a good start...

Ezo

Thanks Ezo, looking back I can see what 870 was talking about. I am trying to work on myself everyday and am continuously looking forward, not back. I will always be working on my "inner game" - liking myself etc. Perhaps with all the history of myself that I wrote prior to listing the alpha male traits, it took the whole point of my post out of context. I just came to the realisation that a lot of traits it takes to be a pua are the same characteristics of an alpha male and I thought I would list some of them.

I love myself and I respect myself. A lot. Probably too much.
I am not trying to fake confidence. When I say these (alpha male traits) are good traits to acquire I believe not in faking it, but in slowly becoming what an alpha male is. For example, when I learned to walk upright, with shoulders back and head up rather than shoegazing, there was no fakeness involved. I started walking like this and immediately felt more confident, especially since I noticed more girls looking. It was a microscopic change but it helped a great deal. After walking like this, I noticed that most guys who walk in a similar fashion are often the same guys who are better at getting attention from women. Not only that, but is done wonders for my lower back pain and my overall posture looks way better.

Coming from where I have come from, with no father to guide me, I find reading about what constitutes an alpha male to be a tremendous form of assistance at work, and a great benefit to my continuous journey from afc to pua.

Lets say that Mystery and Ross Jeffries, and people like Richard Bandler never helped to shape the events that would lead into the world of speed seduction and pua-ism and that all a man had to get a woman were his actions and his character...in this world there would be beta's and alpha's. Nine times out of ten, the alpha would be the better man of the two and probably get the girl. I guess another part of it would be looks and status.

All I'm trying to continue to do is to be the "leader" wherever I go. Not leader in the sense of telling people what to do and being a total prick, but rather, someone that people can look up to and trust and come to for advice. This type of man is the same man that gets the woman, in my opinion.

I am really glad to have an opportunity to post on here and bounce ideas back and forth like this. This site is awesome.