Married girl for 2 years wants me, but says she can't



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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:45 am 
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Marriage is a finacial contract cemented by a legal document, a guy wearing a gown, and a grand party filled with drunk guest dancing to "Celebration" sung by a local b grade band.

However, many chicks and wussy guys tend to get worked up about casual sex and point to the contract and a pair of ceremonial rings when their insecurities are exposed. Some even equate sex with love and think of "running off" with some stranger that they merely fucked. This is like running off with some guy who just beat you in a game of tennis.

However retarded this is, you have to realize that people are this way . . . and it seems your math teacher falls into this category. Who in their right mind would talk about divorcing her husband and then running off with some kid she just tutored in math? . . . and she didn't even fuck you yet. I mean, this is one confused little puppy. What I'm trying to say is that if you go for it, (of course entirely up to you) this is like engaging in a boxing match with an 8 year old and right hooking him with all your strength. Can you do this? Sure you could . . . but:

1. It scores damn low on style points.
2. You know she's going to be F'd up in many ways.
3. #2 can mean a lot of problems for you.

Had she told you, "Look, I'm going to fuck your brains out but don't get any wrong ideas. This is just a fun excerise for me . . ." . . . then I would think no harm done as she shares your philosophy.

Anyhow, it doesn't seem your convinced either way. You might just have to find out for yourself how much of a headache one of the two choices can be . . .


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:24 am 
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I think I have a little trouble understanding why it's not okay to seduce a married person while it is legitimate to seduce someone with a boyfriend or girlfriend. Unmarried couples promise each other not to sleep around also. Some unmarried couples stay with each other happily until they die without ever getting married. Boyfriends can get murderously jealous like husbands and have killed guys sleeping with their girlfriends. While marriage is a stronger (and more expensive) commitment, it says nothing about the happiness of the relationship. An unmarried couple can be in much better shape than a married couple. Wouldn't it be worse to ruin a happily unmarried couple than a miserable marriage that was falling apart? If marriage is the only thing keeping a girl from sleeping with other people, then the marriage probably has some issues. Apparently marriage doesn't even keep half the women to stay loyal to their husbands. Isn't it better to look at the situation the girl is in instead of drawing a distinct moral line between seducing married people and unmarried lovers?
Then why are you even married let alone in a relationship with someone? I know you said you are in a open relationship. But with this paragraph it seems you don't believe in relationships and even wonder why they exists when almost everyone cheats.
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jurupa: I do respect her. I respect her by acknowledging that she can make her own choices in life. She had the choice to reject me like she rejected every other guy but didn't. She has told me many stories where she cancelled lessons on the spot because the guy was coming on to her. She even screens guys before giving them lessons if they ask her in person. Isn't it more disrespectful to the girl to insinuate that she can't control her own life without me following some moral advice I found on an internet message board (not to downplay the advice)? One of the reasons why I respect her so much is that she's exactly the kind of girl who wouldn't stay with a spouse that was beating her. She ended a relationship once by knocking out her boyfriend after he hit her. Who wouldn't respect that?
You say you respect her, but your first post says other wise. Yes you seem to respect certain things about her, but when you where on the bed with her and went to kiss her and she cried and said she could not do it. She said no to you without saying no, and yet you still want to pursue having sex with her. Plus you had the choice in your first post to not include what the girl looks like physically and yet you did. We know you are very physically attracted to her and it came across to me that you more want to be sexually gratified by this girl more than anything else. With those two things it doesn't come off that you respect her as a person. I know she has said she wanted to fuck you and all that. But if she really did wanted to fuck you, wouldn't she would have done it when the two of you where intimate? I would at least think so. Please note I am not here to give you an moral/ethical lecture. But more point out some things that you may not have realized.


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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 8:33 am 
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I think the difference between us lies in how we perceive marriage. I don't see it as something profoundly different from a regular relationship. Getting a tax break, some documents, and exchanging rings are not good reasons for staying together. Married couples also have societal pressure to stick together which makes it harder to be objective about the sincerety of the relationship. Maybe the couples that don't marry just don't want to deal with that. I don't think they are any less desiring of a committed relationship. There's nothing wrong with having caveats to commitments. What's wrong with "We will always stick together as long as the relationship doesn't turn fearful and abusive"?
Marriage over the year has changed as far as its meaning and uses. Current day it is primary a business partnership if you will.
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With almost half of marriages ending in divorce (and rising), it's hard to think that one could know the validity of the commitments of a married couple. I don't think it's enough to say "we're commited" and many people act as if it is. This is why marriage is having trouble keeping up with modernity. Girls are dressing sexier, spouses are getting fatter, and sexual jealousy is still socially acceptable. This combined with the complacement notion that marriage puts some sort of protective barrier around the couple leads to failed relationships. EyeCrush even mentioned that marriage is possibly an antiquated human construct that could be phased out in the future. It looks even worse when you account for people who want to divorce but can't.
Marriage has been around for eons, and I doubt it will go away. Tho it will change into something else much like it has over the years.
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here are plenty of unmarried couples with more to lose than married couples.
How does an unmarried couple have more to loose than a married one?
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Oneitis is not completely accurate since I haven't even attempted a proper kiss close yet (we haven't even met outside of lessons yet). I'm also meeting other girls, but I don't write about them. In my original post it may appear that I plotted this large scheme to rip her out of her husband's arms (perhaps words like game were a bit strong), but I just had private lessons in private locations with some mild kino. Comfort comes natural for me with pretty much anyone. For lack of better terms, we clicked. If my goal was pre-mediated homewrecking, I would have sent all her e-mails to me to her husband.
I think you got the meaning of oneitits mix up here. As it has nothing to do with kissing a girl or not. Its about being infatuated in a girl, which you are. And there is no real proper kiss close either. You either get the kiss or not. And there are many ways to be a homewrecker.
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On another note, I think I have underestimated the power of PU and perhaps the powerful desires a woman can have for a man. It's like the struggle between self-responsibility and public interest. McDonald's is bad for you, but it's still your choice to eat it or not.
Very true.


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The art of PU when it was created to give guys like us a chance with women. People like myself would've always been stuck as AFCs forever.

Upon those founding principles we sought to better ourselves. By using the skills taught to us to steal married women? As Uncle Ben said "With great power comes great responsibility".

We can't use what we've been taught to pick up taken women. I can't find myself to do it, and people who have done it are tarnishing the PUA name.

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The art of PU when it was created to give guys like us a chance with women. People like myself would've always been stuck as AFCs forever.

Upon those founding principles we sought to better ourselves. By using the skills taught to us to steal married women? As Uncle Ben said "With great power comes great responsibility".

We can't use what we've been taught to pick up taken women. I can't find myself to do it, and people who have done it are tarnishing the PUA name.
Nailed it...

If it wasn't oneitis you would of moved on... stop backwards rationalizing and grow the fuck up...

Relationship = she thinks she with the best guy she can find, but is still looking for more.

Married = she found a guy that is as good as it gets, the reason why she might want to fuck you is because you might resemble her husband or what ever.... Should you take advantage of a womans restrictions, and sensitivities to characteristic readings? No you should be a big fucking boy, and realize that just because you cant have something does not mean it is the end of the world.

Now its time for you to put your brain in front of your dick, and understand the fact that you can be friends with a girls who is attractive, and drop the mentality that, female friends are simply girls who i have not fucked yet, Capishe?

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