Was up guys, I just wanted ask what are some other ways of demonstrating value, I know the esp method, and the bestfriend method but is there anything else? I heard of the u shaped smiles vs the c shaped but I don't understand it enough to use. Any help would appreciated.

LONEWOLF177 I am sorry to tell you that those are routines that can be used to fill in the gaps of stuff to talk about. The things you mentioned above are just canned lines. These routines do not demonstrate higher value.

To demonstrate higher value you are saying or doing things that flip her attraction switches. There are many of these switches but some of them include:

*Protector of Loved Ones
*Pre-Selection by WOmen
*Leader of Men
*Willingness to Show Emotion
*Non needy behavour

For example you may tell a very short story that demonstrates you are pre-selected by women. OR you may actually demonstrate that by them seeing you with women earlier in the night. These are things that build social value.

I hope that this helps. If you haven't already I'd suggest you read the Venusian Art Handbook. You can pretty easily find it availble for download.

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Thanks man I really apreciate someone of your postion to respond to my question. I really neede an answer was tired of using the esp trick so I will deffinately take a look at the Venusian Art Handbook.