k, here's the deal, after approaching like 50 or so girls in 3 weeks time (daygame), apart from maybe 4, all of them have said they got a boyfriend (only 1 close, and even that one was an email one with a HB7)

now some of them truly do have(confirmed by friends who know them but they sent me to talk to them for practice)
some of them...idk, not sure, tried the "well you can have 2, it's not like i don't have a harem" and continued before ejecting

now I think I may be going too fast or just got a wrong tactic, anyway here's what I did (usually):

approach from angle, positive mood: Hey, do you think I could dye my hair blonde?
she responds
me: it's cos last year i went for a trip with my mate to slovakia, he dyed his hair blond and got approached like by 10 guys
usually laughter or some sort of positive response
i usually hook up on something she says, or if not i'll just start something about her body language, give her a neg and then try to go for the #close
that's when she says she has a bf
so i do the little line as above, talk above the dyed hair again for a sec and get the hell outta there

now i realise that i make a few essential mistakes: not getting her name, not running FTCs....

What points you think i could improve on, or how?

Btw, I'm using Gambler's stuff for education, and controlling body language thanks to Pease's great book on BL

cheers for responses

if i were u i would more in more like a friend and then after going out with her a couple times then move in as more then a friend

when she says "i have a boy friend" say "i cant believe u were thinking about that i was just thinking to be a friend god someone wants to move fast"(laugh)

and get the number

Sorry dude but I have to say that that "Getting in as a friend" and then trying to escelate out of the LJBF zone is one of the worst ways you can possibly go about it.


OP- Usuall when we are getting a result we don't like at a givin point it's because we failed to execute properly at a previous step... I'm guessing that your probably being to direct while trying to perform indirect game...

Even though starting as friends with a girl isn't a good idea, I kinda noticed that in some circumstances, when YOU put HER into LJBF land after meeting her and flirting with her, it can help you a bit. It makes sense, because it's a perfectly inoffensive neg, and she has probably never had any guy ever approach her just for friendship, so she might start to wonder why you don't like her the other way and attempt to earn it. I think David DeAngelo might have suggested this one before too.

But I wouldn't count on it having a 100% success rate. If you do it like you're agreeing to be friends instead, then she feels like she is in control because that was her idea, and she will see you as just a friend from then on so it will be much harder to keep gaming her.

I have loads of friends, so I'm perfectly fine with just telling her to get a dog

OP - are you saying i should be perfectly indirect or perfectly direct at all times?

Not completely no... but often times if your using indirect game, but something about your body language or tonality or syntax or showing your interest before the the proper time (SOI, A3 etc) then you appear dissonant... Often times this gives that the target that "something isn't quite right" feeling. This may or may not be the reason your having this problem... I guessed at it because its one of the most common reasons I've seen for this type of outcome for those using indirect game.

To accurately diagnose exactly whats going on we have a few methods... you can study like crazy and self diagnose... you can post field reports and/or mini reports of the steps you've used with all pertanant information, and your thought/reasons for doing what you did and in the way you did it. Or the best, however likely least conveniant (or economical) would be to get some in person intensive training from one of the many pro's available here or elsewhere.