I'm new to the community, but I don't care what anyone says, don't ever let anyone throw you off the scent if you've got it bad. Chances are she's already picked up on it. After all, you instinctually wanted her in the first place. You still do, and probably always will. To me, that's a very good sign. Trust your instincts. Even if you think it'll never happen, keep pursuing and just don't be creepy. You never know.

There's this girl I love so much, and even though I've always known it, I realized tonight I could poke 10,000 girls and not only be unsatisfied, but feel downright remorseful.

The way it all worked out was funny, there was this sweet girl who was so into me but it could never happen and I didn't really want her, anyway she was all over me. Well, my sweetie was all over it when the three of us were talking outside of the bathroom, I crap you negative, she repeatedly threw her sweet arse into my loins over and over, like six or seven times. There was a marginally topical reason for it in the first instance, but she just kept doing it.

Anyway, I always feel like Marge Simpson in that I always think of the right thing to say well after the fact. Most times it sucks, especially with women. But this time it didn't matter. I just kind of grunted and kept saying, "You're so filthy."

Bottom line, if you really like a particular girl, keep it up, no matter what. I believe you're on the right track. Frank Sinatra wasn't wrong when he sang about "Nice and Easy", because ideally, that's how we'd all do it. That's romance. It's taken me over ten years with her. And I could have whoever I want, but I don't want them, I want her. Gentlemen, I implore you, is it wrong? I submit that it isn't. I know I could sarge 10,000 girls. How great. But I just want this one.

You've got the right idea. Remember in The Game how those "master pick-up artists" in their brilliance advised countering one-itis with more sarging yet wound up miserable, emotionally unfulfilled and popping pills or having psychological impotence issues? They don't know what they are talking about - Mystery could imitate an alpha male in field yet he cried like a little baby every time things didn't go his way.

I've been in the community for over a decade and can easily tell you that one-itis isn't as cut and dry as mainstream pick-up makes it out to be. People can become emotionally attached to another woman and connect with them - it makes us human. I've rejected lots of beautiful women (with supermodel looks even) because their personality didn't fit with what I was looking for. I have given this subject a lot of thought recently and realized that If you can find that woman who is beautiful and whose personality is a perfect fit for you she is special. She not special for all guys but special for you because she connects with you and clicks with you on a level most women don't

The unhealthy kind of one-itis is the kind where you lust after a one woman but can never have her or are just reponding to the challenge of her rejections. This is a matter of the fact that you have limited options. This is when you're lusting after a girl you barely know and telling yourself how you need to have her.

- Chris

What you described doesn't sound anything remotely like 1itis to me. It sounds like a girl who wants you. 1itis is when a girl doesn't want you or has you in the LJBFs zone, yet you still keep barking up that same tree.

So 1itis is still bad and what you got going on is still good.

First off, thanks to both of you for the thoughtful responses, I'd add to your reputation or whatever but I don't have enough of my own to give any. Anyway, you've both raised points that I agree with fully and need to address. Since Chris posted first and gave me a little more to go off of, we'll start there.

I get the sense you understand where I'm coming from. But I only just bought The Game at the bookstore Thursday night (like I said, all of this is very new to me), so I'm only a third of the way through it, so I haven't yet got to the part you're talking about. So thanks for the spoiler, but in truth, it's easy to see it coming.

Anyway, the key point I wanted to touch upon with regards to your post is where you mentioned at the bottom her knowing that I have limited options. Well, she knows it because I've deliberately broadcasted self-exile for a long time, we've talked about this a lot the past few years in fact. That's actually been my weird pet project of sorts these last five years or so. Unwittingly, I was demonstrating lower value, but I liked it that way (and probably slowly reaped the benefits of demonstrating independence in a "now-it-all-makes-sense" kind of way).

Maybe I don't want take the trash out. After all, it's mostly beer cans and junk mail anyway. It's not like there is spoiled food in there. Anyway, my best guess is that since I've cultivated that image and lifestyle for so long now, and she knew it all along cuz we talked about it, it must have been a real shock to the system when I turned everything on its head last night and incorporated a lot of stuff I otherwise never would've done.

Which brings me to DOY, and what I wanted to say is that basically you are right. But specifically, dude she did put me up on the shelf and LBJF me for the better part of a decade aside from a few magic moments that I never capitalized on, but last night it was on like Donkey Kong. Like literally. Gonna bust those barrels and everything else.

I originally posted because I wanted to show there really is more than just a glimmer of hope if you think you have it bad. I might have stammered and stumbled my way down the AFC path last night, like I've always done. But thanks to about a week's worth of input, I realize now the party's over here, not over there.

Say TipJar, where do you bartend? I'll come booze up and riot...

Take a BOW my man... You know what you want and have the will to patiently & persistently pursue. I feel like you're soaking up PUA wisdom to upgrade and bolster your advances, and not to "rack-em & stack-em". Agreed is it that if you've a single beloved, all the pussy in the world isn't enough to tear you away from her. Much of what is to be consumed in regards to Pick-up artistry, is for terrified social inepts, and sets out to make confident men out of them. It often makes social robots instead of potent and seductive men though... And whats mere sexual snacking with other insecure & socially undeveloped strangers; compared to a trusted companion, who can write whole erotic cookbooks with you!? To echo prior comments, make damn sure that you're not in an Friend-zone, and that this one-of-a-kind-itis IS with THE ONE... and time is on YOUR side too, should she be that ONE.
Without insulting the community that I am a part of here, I'd also like to remind you of what you have just begun to realize yourself.... All the new understandings discovered in studying the disciplines of this PUA culture CAN be utilized in altering the nature of the PRE-EXISTING relations you've shared with ALL the women in your life. After all... They'll ALWAYS be women & we all know their emotional, irrational , unreasonable, and absolutely irresistible. But, HEY... That's WHY we're here!!! To master the psychological nature of the emotional interaction with women, and to ensure that it develops to OUR liking and benefit!
Que no?!? TipJar... You can custom tailor routines and frames and so-on JUST for HER, having ten years of intimate personal knowledge to develop them from... SHOOT... You better post em' for the REST of us to conjure up the same magic you'll be weaving!?!?!
By & by, now that it's " on like Donkey Kong "... I'll come beat the snot out of you if I find a post where you allude to deviating from your adoration of this gal... Or come find her myself to spite you...
Seduce her, make her yours, Fill HER up, & yourself in the process Bro'!!! You've carried the torch fro a decade, I think you deserve some help in holding it after all this time.... And you will have it.

I think that any "rules" we place on ourselves, like friend zone, they can be broken. It might take longer, but it can be so worth it. I am glad you are changing your life and i hope you do 'get the girl'. I have moved from the friend zone a few times to kissing and making out, prior to reading PUA books and such.

Doing it that way, you can get to know someone first, it makes the whole experience just better because you probaly know her better then most people will ever again.

I am really happy that you are making progress with getting what you want, and it seems you deserve it.

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Can any one maybe give some sound advice on how to transition out of the friend zone? I would really appreciate that. ALOT .
Thanks guys

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How i did it was invited the girl i liked around mine with a few other friends, just hang out a bit. You the type of friends that hug? Do you both feel comfortable around eachother alone? Do you spend time around eachother houses?

I used to have this girl over, she was very fiesty, she used to bite and pinch me. Used to give as good as i get, but still not hurt her (i do not condone any form of violence towards anyone). We moved from that to play fighting, water fights. Keep it all light and playful. At that time i was 18, she was 17. It all depends on what kind of friendship you have and how old you are.

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thankyou very much for the fast reply! yeah we're pretty good friends I actually just got back form hers. I mean we're friends but she's always really flirty with me, like she's really touchy feely and yeah physical contact is well into the comfortable stages. And also yeah we were alone the whole morning today, it was fine we made breakfast and laughed a lot she sat next to me aswell. Also I think we watched Crash.

So I guess I gotta know how to escalate things if thats right?

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Daul and DKane. Check your PMs.

I guess my question would be did you or did you not watch Crash? In my experience, that movie is like crack to girls. I think it was the embarrassingly hokey pseudo-magic/spiritual scene with the Latino father and his little girl that gives them the goosebumps, plus the road to redemption for Matt Dillon's character makes them think (which I have to admit, I thought was the only redeeming quality about the film).

Anyway, my advice would be to watch it again, like, tomorrow morning, focus on these storylines, then ask her next time you meet up if she loved the movie (I bet dollars to doughnuts she did). Then bust on her carefully for getting swept up in the scene with the Mexican daddy. If she doesn't like where you're headed, you can always pivot to Dillon's redemptive qualities. If that doesn't work, just say, "Well clearly you don't understand movies. Hey, I know! We should go to the zoo and check out the elephants' junk and watch the gorillas. I could even pick the fleas and nits out of your hair and eat them, just like they do."

One more thing, Astaire. If you go through with this, make sure to wear a button-down shirt, so you can fasten your top button and unfasten the others to make the popular Mexican cape out of an ordinary shirt, then you can pretend like you're some gregarious gangster from Guadalajara and you still hate this movie.

Is she flirty with other people? I would say buy a couple of really romantic movies ive got chocolat, still not watched it. It has johnny depp from when he was a little younger and apperently girls love it. it is pure mush.

Enough film reviews, just remeber to tease her, use your negs, with a smile o your face. or keep serious and break out into a smile this might help get some kino, form there you can tease more and move onto more and more kino.

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