went to a fashion show at a club last night and it was amazing. many more hb9's and 10's dressed (or half-dressed rather) in mini's and halter-tops than i normally see. very nice.

but i did notice a truism that i first heard from Mystery: the hotter girls will go to the louder clubs because it's harder for AFC's to talk to them. the volume is a kind of bitch shield. plus when they go out with 3-4 of their friends it's really intimidating thus fewer AFC's.

so the question is this: what openers are most effective in that situation? the usual openers that seem indirect - i.e. "Hey guys, we need a female opinion on this..." will seem very direct in that setting. you can't go up to four hb9's in a room filled with half-dressed women and say: "hey, we were just talking about my friend and we want a female opinion..." .... unless you really sell it, you will sound TryHard.

the only really ingenious one that i saw was Style's Lint opener. you grab some lint off one of these hotties and walk away. do this 2-3 times and you have an extremely indirect opener and an innocent neg. pretty smart.

any other ideas?

- harlow

for these openers to work you have to have a connection with the openers (root the opener) or you will sound stupid

i use openers out of my own life, like: i needed to go to this party and none of my shirts were ironed... so i had to iron my shirt, but am not used to doing it (my cleaner does it normally)...
opener becomes: hey guys, you think men should be able to iron their own shirts?? well....it took me like an hour and a half but look......dont you notice how properly this shirt is ironed? man....an hour and a half... i have so much respect for my maid now!!
how do you girls iron? if you do one side, the other side wrinkles again... blablabla

actually the above one is not very great, but i just use it congruently because i really mean it when i say it. its really from my own life... and i dont use that line all the time, i just used it the day that i really ironed a shirt!

usually i open with situational or neg openers... like a girl with hair that gets attention: HEY... is that a wig?? (pull the hair to be sure) well its nice though....at least you have caught my attention with it.

just open with anything, even something stupid will do (as long as you dont convey interest). you are just a talkative guy and cant help it.

also important>> be talktative to others before you open the girls you want. you cant be talkative all of a sudden out of nowhere, it would be silly.
first open some guys and some UGs so you become talkative and everybody thinks you are really talkative... then when people have picked it up, jump from set to set until you stumble upon the girls you want.... then any opener will do.

sometimes its more about opening yourself than about opening others

btw i prefer hb9-10's in a loud club!!

i love club game now (since i am into pua)

Last night, it was a loud club, girl was a solid 9 and tipsy. As soon as I saw her (from about 8 feet away), I just pointed my finger at her and yelled, "Holy shit, I so know you!" I had no idea who she was, but the conversation continued from that point.

that's good advice. i usually start with 1-2 warm-up sets (ugly girls or guys), try to make sure the targets are at least in the room to notice (not sure if they do or not but whatever)...

i guess the key that i discovered last night is that the club opener has to show even less interest than a usual Opinion opener. when 4 total hb10's are half-dressed they know what you want no matter what you say, unless you have something that really catches them off guard.

i like the "is your hair / nails / boobs real?" jk about the boobs. style talks about another one in The Game: "hey, that girl is stealing your thunder." but that can be used only if you see another girl at the club wearing something similar to your target.

this is a good topic all by itself: what are the best opener/negs specifically for hb9/10's in louder clubs. i am coming up so short on these that i'm considering carrying around a ball of lint like Style!

-harlow