Listen I use The octoberman I not fucking asamed to tell you and use it!

I incooprate mysterys M3 model but when i get to A3 or C1 i use octoberman/vin dicarlo escalation ladder to fucking close the deal.

I think Octoberman works great with me b/c im a very spirtual and look at everything as energy which is the exact same thing the octoberman is all about. So not only does it fit my personality but i have my ow style of it as well.

Ryan lee tells me its rape and so do someother puas guys! what do you think? it is rape?

Green Ranger, why are you posting this twice?

Well I'll quote from NLP for Dummies.


A Note On IntegrityYou may hear the words integrity and manipulation associated with NLP, so we'd like to put the record straight now. You influcence others all the time. When you do it consciously to what what you want, the question arises. Are you manipulating others to get what you want at their expense? The question that we, the authorsm ask ourselves when we are in a selling situation is simple. What is our positive intention for the other person - be it an individual or a company? If it's good and our intention is to benefit the other side, then we have integrity - a win/win. And if not, it's manipulations. When you head for win/win, you're on the right track for success. And as you know, what goes around comes around.

Basically what it's saying is NLP can be used for good OR bad. It's like the FORCE!(SW geek lol) But it's not rape, and what she's doing is at her will. You're just REALLY good and persuasion and that's it.
Oh and remember good and bad, it's only a point of view.

Anyone who's telling you it's immoral is a fucking pussy. Here is my argument and I don't even know how to use NLP.
Is it wrong to manipulate people?
Hell no. Women are manipulating you all the time. Men are seduced by their eyes, and women know this. That is why they wear sexy outfits and act cute to drive us nuts. That is why women with terrible personalities can get good men. Because of their looks. It puts you into what David D'Angelo calls the "pussy trance". I'm not saying to forsake your personality, but I am saying that women aren't seduced by your personality alone.
If you go out into the field with a canned routine, that is the same thing as NLP. You are trying to manipulate them with your body language and with what you are saying. DHV stories, and negs are meant to manipulate the way a woman thinks and feels about you. In a way, that method triggers feelings the same way as if you memorize a sequence of verbal phrases and anchor their feelings with physical cues.

To be a PUA is to learn to manipulate someone's perception of you. Rape is forcing a woman to have sex with you against their will, and hurting them. NLP simply releases overwhelming POSITIVE feelings in a woman and makes her WANT to sleep with you.

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RYE LEE. If you're going to come to me asking for my advice and then quote me, then do me the courtesy of actually reading my name before putting it out there. K, Pink Ranger?

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

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Guys I appreciate all the replies! THe OMS does excatly was in10se says it does.

1.Creates INTENSE PLEASURE IN HOST
2.DIRCTLY LIKS IT 2 YOU (you really dont even need anchor)
3.Creates obsessed people

My advice for it is use it on a girlfriend/wife ONLY to make you closer and relationship stronger

Other then that its not date rape and it not unethical.....BUT YOU CANNOT JUST USE THE WOMAN AFTERWORDS!!! you must tend to her needs afterwords. This connects on a much depper level then Attraction it connects on a universial energy level. A level of manifesting true happiness. where soulmates become a reality.

My current girlfriend everynight tells me the exact same thing "Can you play power rangers with me?" she dosent know its the octoberman. Me and her are perfect for each other b/c i got 2 skip all that stupid figure out what great about her and i get 2 see the REAL HER! Im satifiest with the results I just wanted some opinins since basically i created my loving girlfriend....Shes happy and im happy in the end isent that all that really counts?