I just read this thread and there is nothing there that talks about how calling in early courtship makes you look like a dinosaur. There are guys there that say that they call after sex but there is no talk that confirms that women will view you like a dinosaur in modern game.This guy's advice doesn't advocate ONLY calling early on. It's just a video on how to call a girl and gives some reasons. He does advocate the first contact after the phone number to be a phone call. He says the first contact being a phone call shows that you're bold enough to call and that stands out opposed to other guys who only text. He even goes through lengths to explain how to leave a message which counters your statement of leaving awkward voicemails.

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From the thread:

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Exactly! This is an opinion. There is nothing there saying that women are turned off. It's a guy that says the opinion of what HE believes you'll look like. Then you post a video of a guy that says what he does and has success with. Then there are a bunch of guys that comment that they've followed the guys advice and called and they had success because of it.

You see the difference there, right? One guy says you look like a dinosaur if you call with absolutely no context and the other says it works for him, gives instruction and other guys back his claim by trying it for themselves.

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Watched the video. Nowhere did he say to ONLY call.
Asking you why you responded with the status of your relationship is a "battle" now? Lol. I never asked about your relationship. What were you trying to say there?

If you're using a near 10 year post as advice for "modern game"(ironic), Ill respond to that too:
See....that stuff sounds good to guys with no experience. But honestly, its silly...if you're 25 gaming a 40 year old, most likely she wants to feel YOUNG...not do what 40 year olds do when they talk to 40 year olds. Older women with younger guys ACT younger and want to FEEL younger...not their age...they text more than the 19 year olds lol. The line above is clearly from a guy who hasnt been 25 dating a 40 yr old milf, because he'd know they dont typically dont date like a 40 yr old. Ive been a 25 yr old dating an older woman, many times...theyre on snapchat, twitter like crazy. They're not dating 25 year olds to have a 40 year old experience. If you're being honest Arch and actually been there, you know older women arent dating younger guys and acting "traditional."

As to dinosaurs...men LEAD. Fuck if she prefers to text...I prefer to talk sometimes. And women will follow your lead when they like you. Sure if a chick doesnt like you or barely is interested, she doesnt want to talk to you. Dont blame chicks not calling you back (not you Arch) on "modern times"...all that BS is just men making excuses for not being leaders. Lol, guys like to talk that bs like saying modern women dont cook for you or they expect you to spend on them...nah...thats just you being a lame dude. Chick likes you she'll cook, she'll spend. I'm not for calling every time or texting every time, Im just against letting a chick dictate what you do. One thing Ive always heard from chicks is I do what I want and they like that. I dont care if she's a texter...SHE'LL adjust to ME. The chicks who were texters, end up saying they always disliked phone calls, now they love them. Chicks who were used to being on their phones on dates say because I set that boundary early theyve look at that being plugged in all the time now as lame. Chicks follow. If you're dating a chick and she doesnt want to pick up the phone to talk to you, dont blame modern times: thats just a chick being iffy because you were iffy in person.

I'm not disagreeing with any of this. Men lead, and a woman should adjust to your habits. But when a woman doesn't know you, and it's early courtship, and you have minimal experience, the goal is to prevent yourself from over-contacting, or being weird like most of the posters who ask questions here.

The goal is to succeed.

If you have good in-person game, a woman will like you whether you call or text. The goal is to have sex first, not to scare her away by acting like an ass.

Remember Neo, this is a forum for guys who don't have much experience. You keep debating my points as if this is a forum for experienced men good with women. It's not.

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This isn't the case of this post though. The guy had a first date. He called her for a second date. The next time he contacted her was the day before the date. There was no over contact/he didn't act like an ass but you said that he shouldn't have called when calling is how she agreed to the date. Where did the OP go wrong with the phone call? I find it interesting that even when a girl says yes you're criticizing him as if he did something wrong.

BTW...this forum isn't just for guys that are inexperienced.

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But if they would overcontact and be weird over the phone, what happens in person? What happens when a chick is right in front of them and there's nothing to hide behind? The needy behavior that would drive them to call, is just going to come out when they see the chick. The mode of communication isnt their problem, its the neediness. Would it not be better to have them gain experience with communicating non "needingly" over the phone so in person is easier? So many guys come here, they have the lays, they have the gfs and shit goes wrong and their broken. Because they're just hiding their neediness and eventually it comes out.

I think the key point here being missed is calibration with the communication with the girl. Some like to talk alot, some prefer to text, other by phone, some don't like lots of conversation or texting.

It's up to us to gauge that, and if you don't like the amount of communication you have the girl you are going to date/have dated, why bother wasting your time with her, when there are other options better suited?

If you're well suited, the amount of communication flows naturally and if she likes you then it will calibrate and she will initiate the contact as much as you do with her.

Too many on here overcomplicate it by having set rules, focusing on the one HB9 or 10 that they must bang by making them more important than the others and blow their chances by giving these girls special SPAM by over contact. The texting/phone calls and initiating contact should always be around 50/50. Big deal if the HB10 doesn't reply for a few weeks, because the other HBs are blowing up your phone are more fun and deserving of your time.

It's really not difficult. Since I have been thinking like that, I've had lots of success and now blow others out who won't dance to my tune.