Yo... I really need some advice
PLEASE HELP ME WITH SUGGESTIONS, CRITICISM, ETC

So I'm six weeks into the PUA community. I'm sarging hard and studying harder, closing a few numbers daily and getting an f-close here and there.

I have the worst flaking problem on Earth. Tyler Durden, for example, once talked about in doing tons of 5 minute number closes, and that he would get about a 40% call back rate.

I close a couple numbers daily, many taking more than 10 minutes, and if I had to guess my callback rate, I'd say 10% tops.

I've been reading up on it, and I've come up with 5 things to do before every number close. Please comment, condemn, encourage, etc...
Don't ever n-close without:

1) Qualify - make her believe I'm interested in HER, attracted to her deeper qualities

2) Kino - establish a physical connection early, builds a little connection

3) Time Bridge - create a reason to see her; something laid back where she knows she'll have a good time

4) Build Wide Rapport - discuss a variety of topics, build a variety of experiences, attempt to go to at least a couple locations, even within the venue

5) Balance Attraction with Value - don't forget to DHV while you entertain her; show her values that will last beyond your fun interaction.

Please offer my help. I'm serious. I hate the flaking thing

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If you are doing all that i dont see where your problem is...



are you calling her? when are you calling her? are you waiting to long to call her?

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also are you leaving your number during the meeting or during the call? not everyone has cellphones.

First off, it's all college students, so they have cell phones.

Second of all, those are the things I'm aiming at doing everytime in the future. But hey, I'm still new at this.

I take it you think if I do all those things I should be golden?

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The problem is that you are only with them 10 min.

According to mystery and his success's he said that even he needs 25 min at least to get a call back.... and 40 is what is necessary...

also when you give the number try to stay an extra five min so you don't look like a creep just trying to get a number.

also end with something like say your telling a story and then say i got to go ill tell you the rest when i call you

hope this helps.

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Perception is Reality

great- all important things ive kinda been forgetting

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yep... and always remember to try and leave a few times throughout the conversation... PULL away and make her ask you to come back...


also, if somewhere throughout the conversation you can interactive with another group set... huge DHV spike and she gets jealous... wants you back...


few examples:

IF u see a group of girls taking photos and one is always left out offer to take the photo for them, then you can always take a photo with them... keep your target in eye contact..let her see this go down..she will start to think she mght lose you and will want to qualify herself to you...


if you see a drink girl wipe out on the dance floor or by the bar.... help her up.... increases your DHV... shows you are senisitive/sincere... and will lower the targets defense system...


move the set throughout the converstion, take her to dance... take her to somewhere less noisey, take her to the bar while u get another drink, moving the set tests the rapport you have built wth her... if she moves her comfort/trust level is building with you....

most importantly always leave her wanting more... if possible end the set before she does... but if you have done everything rigt she wont want you to leave... and when you call her the NEXT day... I stress the NEXT day... she will be glad to hear from you or call you back...


try this and lets see if your callback percentage increases...

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Crush the only way I help u is if you show me sample of how a typical conversation with these girls goes before u get there #.

U might not be interesting enough for them to want to call u back girls give out there numbers all the time doesn't mean they want to see u again

and in addition never take a girl u don't knows camera as Shurgs suggested to take a picture of them u can't go anywhere with that.

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So u think you can handle this?

Easy - that much I realize, it's the "why" that I'm trying to push through

shurgs - thanks, I'll keep those in mind. i've been meaning to start trying to forward merge

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sorry to hijack the thread, but along the same vein...if you don't have 25-40 minutes to get the girl interested in you (like at the gym or something) how can you increase your chances of having her interested in you enough to call you back or get her to learn more about you later. Any different stategies to take in these cases?

like i said above... you need to start a story or be doing the cube and then in the middle say I got to go and say let me get your number and Ill finish it some other time.

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Perception is Reality

easy,


i didnt mean steal the girls camera and take a random photo of them... thats just creepy...


i was saying offer to take the photo for them so they call all be in the picture together... how is this not good as a roll off, if it is no good i dont want to do it anymore.... but i have done it a few times.

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I know what u meant Shurgs do what u do
i just don't find it too thrilling

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So u think you can handle this?