I am really good at number closing, both in person and on match.com. Once I get the numbers, I either text them right away and run out of things to say, or put off texting/calling them for weeks/dont contact them at all. Id say setting up day 2s is my sticking point. Help me get past this so I can continue my path to becoming a PUA. Is it better to call or text at first? Is it better to fluff talk or set up the day 2 early on?

The easiest way to eliminate flakey numbers is having a date already planned at the time of the number exchange. This builds more investment in which makes it easier on you when it comes to you try to get a hold of her.

When deciding whether you should call or text first you really need to consider how much she's invested. A women who was really invested in the interaction and both of you talked over the course o hours has a lot more investment than someone you met for twenty minutes and left.

Sending a text message is a good way to start because it's such a little investment and even if she doesn't respond you lose very little or no value. You make a phone call to a girl it's a lot bigger of an investment. If she doesn't answer your phone call two times it's likely going to come off as needy and try hard- where as if she doesn't answer two texts it's not nearly as big of a deal.

If she answers the text she's subconsciousness saying yes- she's complying and you want to use that momentum. The more texts she answers the more likely she will respond to a phone call. If she answers your phone call then it's more likely she's going to agree to have a date.

You want to avoid getting shut out with her ignoring your phone calls and start of small so you can micro escalate and use momentum to get what you want.

Hope that helps.

if im texting a girl after a shorter pickup (day time pickups usually and this could be a few days later) and we are talking about plans for that night and she wants to hang out ill say something like im finishing something up let me give you a call in a few minutes.

i feel like a lot of a PUA's tools can be lost in a text message convo versus on the phone so if things are going well move to the phone but make sure your playing it off that your calling because its more convient than texting not just because you want to hear her voice.

Thanks, that transition gambit sounds like gold! Ive been getting better at setting up dates, but Im getting flakes and my numbers are going cold. All my game has been over texting so far.

I made plans to go to the aquarium and hiking with one hb, but she had a busy schedule and never told me when she was free and now shes not texting me back

I made vague plans to go on a date with another hb and set up a time and shes not texting me back either.

Writing this made me realize that setting up an event and time at the same time is probably important and what I did wrong. Another thing is that Id get something set up and then not talk to them for until the day were supposed to hang out. Im better at gaming in person and dont like fluf talking...are hb's like flowers in a garden that constantly need to be watered or they wilt? Do you guys delete the numbers in your phone that went cold or is there a line that works to get them back? My game is stuck in limbo...help me out guys

I never delete phone numbers. Here's how I handle it.

Even if a girl doesn't respond to a text I send one day I'll wait a while and send another low investment type text a week or so later. The point of this is to ping her and put you on her radar. When you do this you're letting yourself be known, and often she'll eventually text something back. Then you can start the process of moving forward again.

I like to use the, "I just totally saw your twin."

If she doesn't respond, no big deal. Wait some more time and try again. As long as she remembers you then it isn't completely hopeless. The mentality with these semi-flakey numbers is to be patiently persistent.

Hope that helps.

Ive used that line before. Do you have any more that would be more pertinent to hbs i met online and havent had a day2s with?

lovin the "limbo" reference lol

with a customer i picked up while working last week we found something in common during the pick up (she goes to the same school as one of my friends and i suggested she party with us at his house and that id text her that weekend) this would have been tuesday i think. she ended up texting me on thursday which i did not expect but i could have and probably should have texted her as well. there was a little fluff and some things to make her laugh to build some value. i spaced out the time in which i responded to texts which she mirrored so maybe we would text each other every half hour ON AVERAGE so there isnt a noticable pattern. and so you dont have to get too in depth. i left things as im busy friday night but ill give you a call on saturday. she will hopefully not have plans for saturday at that point. then i call around 1 or 2 when saturday comes around and tell her what my plans are and that shes welcome to come. it didnt end up working out because i was going to bars and she didnt have an id, but i said id give her a call sometime in the next week when i was free and we could try to work something out.

its all based on what you found in common from the intitial pick up. for example if she was saying how she liked hiking id say i was planning on hiking sometime in the near future and tell her id give her a call.

so if this story is interesting ill continue...

i called her this past wednesday around 4 and left a message tell her to give me a call back (when you call ive felt that its good to leave a message just saying hey its____give me a call back when you get a chance. that way you know she got your call for sure and she will be curious about why you called so she will call back since you didnt say anything in the message) she texted me back at 11 that night apologizing because she was working and asking what was up. i texted back her IN THE MORNING saying that i was calling because i wanted to grab some coffee with her that night because ive been pretty busy i was leaving town that coming saturday. she asked when she could see me. i used the same line that i was busy at the moment but id call her in a few hours to work something out. i called and we made plans to hang out on friday but didnt know what to do so i told her that i would think of 3 awesome ideas and she should do the same and that wed decide from those ideas friday afternoon.

something came up and i wasnt able to hang out with her on friday but i feel like the sequence of texts and calls was pretty successful. the calls make it more comfortable for when you actually see each other rather than only sending text messages in the period of time between the PU and when you do something with this girl.

apologies for the poor grammar and spelling

with girls online i would find that common interest and do the same thing. if the plans work out or not, if shes interested in you its not gonna really matter what your doing as long as you make it sound fun