I have no problem getting a k-close. My kino escalation is pretty good with that. But I have a problem f-closing. I mean I've gotten there naturally before, like it just kind of lead to it before. But how do I go from kissing to like fuckin around and like fingering her you know? Do I just kinda go for it and wait till she stops me? Do I ask her? I dont have this problem with most girls, just working on some girls with their v-cards still. Some assistance needed lol.

You have the right idea leading from the k-close to the f-close. A girl must feel emotionally invested in you before she will let you in. She will also just feel used if she just lets you right into her panties.

Just keep teasing her, say something like "we shouldn't be doing this!" and then stop kissing her and do something else for a couple minutes like talk to other people or organize something (anything). Just look like you're being productive. Then go back to her and say "i cant stop how i feel!" and kiss her again, then repeat the whole "we should be doing this!" scenario four or five times. Use Push-pull tactics to get there. By then she should be primed to go. However, she will be screening you to see if youre just gonna f-close and leave. If she stops you just be like "wow, what an adrenaline rush! lets go (somewhere) to do (anything)".

Try that, this always works for me.

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Thanks man! Will do